BLOGHER CONFERENCE '05 CHATROOM TRANSCRIPTS
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*** (2005-7-30 7:46:36):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , laura !
bucky4eyes says to  (2005-7-30 7:46:38):
wish I was at BlogHer instead of in Mich!
bucky4eyes says to  (2005-7-30 7:46:38):
The estrogen level is soooo low here
stevegarfield says to bucky4eyes (2005-7-30 7:46:38):
Maybe I should leave ;-)
bucky4eyes says to  (2005-7-30 7:46:38):
hahahaha
bucky4eyes says to  (2005-7-30 7:46:38):
just put on some perfume and you're fine
bucky4eyes says to  (2005-7-30 7:47:28):
It's too early for you Cali people, isn't it?
bucky4eyes says to  (2005-7-30 7:50:31):
OK, I'll check back later when y'all's awake!
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*** (2005-7-30 8:7:52):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Ponzi !
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:8:52):
Good Morning!
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:9:7):
It feels like the first day of school
laura says (2005-7-30 8:9:8):
good morning!
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:9:18):
I'm so excited to be here
laura says (2005-7-30 8:9:27):
are you  there at the conference?
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:9:45):
I'll be recording all day at the conference for the Chris Pirillo Show
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:9:57):
I'm in my hotel room now lingering over breakfast
laura says (2005-7-30 8:10:9):
breakfast, that's what i forgot!
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:10:29):
Are there lots of people there this early?!
laura says (2005-7-30 8:10:41):
i am not there, alas
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:10:46):
You have to have nourishment, Laura!
Karen says to antonella (2005-7-30 8:10:52):
Some of us are already u[
laura says (2005-7-30 8:10:59):
more like houston compared with the moon
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 8:11:11):
Hi Ponzi and Laura, I am in Philadelphia hoping to follow BlogHer from here
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:11:20):
Hi Ya'll
laura says (2005-7-30 8:11:26):
there are a lot of live bloggers, too
laura says (2005-7-30 8:11:55):
this is a fun link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/blogher/
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:12:5):
I'll be blogging but I don't want to be a slave to my computer so I'm not going to claim to be a live blogger
antonella says to Karen (2005-7-30 8:12:24):
Not clear from the site how to get to the live blogggers posts.
laura says (2005-7-30 8:13:0):
there are links now on the www.blogher.org homepage
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:13:13):
Good being here
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:15:25):
I agree
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:16:2):
Any of you that are here and willing to be interviewed let's meet up
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:16:11):
I'd love to help you get heard!
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:16:27):
I'll be recording for a podcast to be posted later
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:16:30):
 {smile_smiley}
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:17:18):
I am one of the virtuals and not there, but isn't that the beauty of all this?
laura says (2005-7-30 8:17:45):
that's the idea
laura says (2005-7-30 8:17:50):
 {laugh_smiley}
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:18:30):
Great link with the phots page. Feels like you're there in many ways.
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:21:20):
Karen - maybe we could do a phone interview when I'm back at home in the studio - I'd love to hear your perspective being a blogher at home. {smile_smiley}
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:21:38):
The photo page is awesome!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:22:0):
We could do that. I'll be here al day.
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:22:27):
I'm flying home tomorrow should be in around 7pm so Maybe we could do it Monday?
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Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:22:39):
Would you be available
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:22:57):
Indeed
*** (2005-7-30 8:23:1):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , antonella !
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:23:7):
Cool!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:23:56):
 {typing_smiley}
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:23:58):
My toll free is 888-472-0483 - what time could you do it? I have a noon apppt.  - but should be back by 3pm and anytime after that would be great
Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:24:23):
Or early am... if I HAVE to ... hee hee hee
*** (2005-7-30 8:24:32):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , tamnca !
*** (2005-7-30 8:24:47):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , dar !
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:25:27):
morning laides... just checking in on the conference stuff.
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laura says (2005-7-30 8:30:27):
i am back
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:30:57):
hello laura's back.
laura says (2005-7-30 8:31:22):
hello dar
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:32:58):
I'm sorry that I heard about the conference too late to attend.  Hopefully it's success enough to happen again next year.
laura says (2005-7-30 8:33:30):
they are sold out, people were on the waiting list
laura says (2005-7-30 8:33:41):
i think there is no question it will happen next year
laura says (2005-7-30 8:33:55):
i plan to be at that one, too
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:34:8):
Cool.  I will try to be there.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:34:26):
It's not a long drive ... even for the bay area.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:34:53):
thought 2 hours to get to Gracie's house is having me rethink the post-blogher party.
laura says (2005-7-30 8:35:28):
closer than Gracie Mansion
laura says (2005-7-30 8:35:56):
;)
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:36:31):
That's true.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:38:41):
well, I see things are up and working.  That's a good thing.  I am going to now get ready for my day (ie., get another cuppa coffee), and check back later.  So far only thing isn't linked on the homepage... (one of the sessions.  But I'll check back with the live bloggers for that session.  And I'll stop in here when I have a moment.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 8:38:48):
Nice to meet you laura.
laura says (2005-7-30 8:39:3):
and you, dar! have a great day, and enjoy the party if you go
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Ponzi says to  (2005-7-30 8:40:38):
Okay - I'm off to get ready to head out of the hotel. See ya'll in here later.  Have an awesome day! {smile_smiley}
laura says (2005-7-30 8:41:5):
have fun!
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Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:44:55):
This is fun
*** (2005-7-30 8:51:59):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , dinamehta !
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:52:38):
Hello there dinamehta
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 8:53:3):
hi karen .. just looking in from mumbai, india ... since i couldnt make it there due to floods
*** (2005-7-30 8:53:24):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Martine !
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:53:42):
Sorry to hear that. Many of us here are not at the conference, but are attending virtually and having a good time
laura says (2005-7-30 8:53:43):
welcome dinamehta
laura says (2005-7-30 8:54:0):
i saw the flooding on BBC Word
laura says (2005-7-30 8:54:14):
I cannot imagine
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:54:17):
Hello Matine! Welcome
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 8:54:19):
Bonjour all. Couldn't be there this time but thought I'd come in and check things out from Montreal.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:55:5):
I am not there physically, but we are there through the virtual world and feeling every part in this condference
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:55:21):
Terrible about the flods.
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 8:55:37):
its been bad here .. but luckily this afternoon my internet connection was restored ... and i'm looking forward to enjoying the chat here {smile_smiley}
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:56:8):
Our prayers are with you.
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laura says (2005-7-30 8:56:36):
yes, exactly, dinamehta
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 8:57:5):
thanks karen, laura
laura says (2005-7-30 8:57:10):
36" of rain in one day? one hour? It must have been like swimming
laura says (2005-7-30 8:57:31):
Hi Martine
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:57:36):
It is unimaginable.
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 8:58:13):
it was - people were wading thru waist high water .. so many dead - over 700 people dead and so much damage
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 8:58:37):
its the first time in over 100 years its been this way
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 8:58:56):
anyways - anything happening at the conference ?  anyone who is present on this chat ?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:59:54):
I am an entire time zone away from the conference, but there are some ways to be part of it,
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 8:59:54):
www.blogher.org
*** (2005-7-30 8:59:54):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Rosalea !
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:0:1):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/blogher/
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 9:0:29):
thanks Karen
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:0:39):
Hello Rosalea. Welcome to the chat room
laura says (2005-7-30 9:0:50):
i wil be right back
*** (2005-7-30 9:4:8):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , laura !
laura says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:8):
i wil be right back
Rosalea says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:8):
Oh, hello! I've never been in one before! And a special hello to Steve Garfield--I just love your Steve and Carol (could be Carol and Steve) show on Akimbo!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:8):
The photos have grown an entire page in the last hour. The blogs from the site are short and yet very revealing in that chat and in another screen looking and reading there.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:8):
This Ping Vision software is interesting. It somehow determined - without asking me - that my computer's language is French and all the interface is in French now.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:8):
But I do speak French so it's okay!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:9):
Thanks to Laura, the technical guru who can give all the details of Drupal - what pingV uses. Open source and all. Part of what we're all about.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:30):
Nice.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:4:39):
Only your computer speaks French, LOL. {lol_smiley}
laura says (2005-7-30 9:4:40):
great!
laura says (2005-7-30 9:4:59):
the chatroom software is not Drupal, I should note
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:5:15):
She said pingV software. Sorry.
Rosalea says to laura (2005-7-30 9:7:27):
On the BlogHer website it says there are other chatrooms about the individual sessions. Where do I find them? Thanks.
Martine says to Karen (2005-7-30 9:7:48):
So when the first session starts, will we joind the talk automatically or do we have to move to a different chat room?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:8:53):
it's all one chatroom as of now
laura says (2005-7-30 9:10:19):
What I think Lisa meant is that we'll kind of roll with the topics here
laura says (2005-7-30 9:10:55):
She's going to encourage people to check in with us here, too, so we'll get some on-the-scene input. There also are the live bloggers
laura says (2005-7-30 9:11:45):
So are there any opinions on the first topic?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:11:50):
The BlogHer Debate question for 2005 is this: Women bloggers, how do you want the world to learn about what you're creating -- if at all? Do you want to play by today's rules or change the game?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:12:12):
Something I certainly am interested in and have been watching with some interest
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:13:17):
Laura, just wanted to say, before getting on the main subject, that I just read the post about IRC vs other chat client and I'm glad you decided against IRC.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:13:40):
Thanks {laugh_smiley}
laura says (2005-7-30 9:13:56):
Maybe we should back up a bit
*** (2005-7-30 9:14:2):Blogher photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/blogher/
laura says (2005-7-30 9:14:25):
One of the problems that women bloggers face online is what we have been calling "the dominant linking heirarchy"
laura says (2005-7-30 9:14:48):
All the guys link to each other, and thus boost their rankings with TTLB, Technorati, Google, etc.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:15:8):
Are we served by trying to play that game?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:15:34):
What would be playing the game exactly? Only linking to women as a response?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:15:47):
that's one suggestion that's been made
laura says (2005-7-30 9:16:24):
It seems though that the most successful women this week are ones who get the men to link to them
Rosalea says to  (2005-7-30 9:16:35):
LOL at myself--I thought you wrote: Do you want to play by today's rules or change the name? And I thought Yes! I really don't like the word blog, and since there are so many sorts of them and they are being put to such a wide variety of uses, should part of our aim be to support indexing/tagging by purpose of blog?
Rosalea says to  (2005-7-30 9:16:52):
Or is that just too hierarchical? Better to have the opportunity to look at everything in the mix?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:16:58):
To be a player, you have to be part of a team and have others hwo recognize you as on the team
laura says (2005-7-30 9:17:8):
I'm thinking of Amanda at www.pandagon.net and Maryscott O'Connor who launched My Left Wing and immediately got links from all the superblogs
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:17:42):
I think it would turn women's blogging into a kind of ghetto if the linking was too female oriented between women's blogs.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:17:53):
It would be, but it would be seen that way
laura says (2005-7-30 9:17:56):
That perception already exists, yes
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:18:3):
I mean it wouldn't be, but it would be seen that way.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:18:29):
There's a new women's blog, www.ourword.org, that already has been labeled such
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:19:1):
It replicates the corporate world and there is a wonderful pdf on the blog site that shows this goes beyond blogs. It relfectes the larger world. Blogs may be a way of influencing that world.
*** (2005-7-30 9:19:17):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , rversde23 !
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 9:19:37):
Maybe the problem with this linking strategy is that is so monodimensional: It's either on or off. I think tagging may be a more interesting way to go. Is there really a single big blog world?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:19:42):
http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP_blogging_data.pdf
laura says (2005-7-30 9:19:54):
what's that, karen?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:19:58):
Welcome back anonella!
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:20:0):
When it men's network (aka pretty much all online networks), no one notices that it's all men. But when it's all women, it turns into something about  "women's writing" instead about being subject oriented.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:20:17):
that's a cultural bias problem
antonella says to Karen (2005-7-30 9:20:33):
Thank you, Karen.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:20:34):
i think that might be what shelley was getting at (Burningbird)
laura says (2005-7-30 9:20:42):
how do you change the culture itself?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:21:0):
If speaks to the fact that the structure in corporations (and games) reflect the structures in glogs. When men "pass the ball," they tend to throw to other men -- those on the "team."
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:21:1):
Presence is one way to do it. Active presence.
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 9:21:49):
I think its active presence and vocalizing things
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 9:21:59):
we can't sit and tell one another about these issues.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:22:14):
I think it's important for us to tell one another
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 9:22:15):
we have to talk about it amongst others.  in various platforms and venues, right?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:22:19):
hello rversde 23!!!
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 9:22:30):
Hi Karen!
laura says (2005-7-30 9:22:41):
One thing I think we women have working against us is that we tend to be silenced in mixed company
*** (2005-7-30 9:22:49):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , rkrato !
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:22:50):
YES! Laura.
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 9:22:53):
YES! Exactly.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:22:56):
While men are testing out ideas and finding allies, we each ponder alone
laura says (2005-7-30 9:23:27):
But with bull sessions like this, we can realize the things we all know are true, but perhaps did not trust our own judgment alone
*** (2005-7-30 9:23:28):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Rachel !
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:23:32):
Even though I'm not the most technical person, I'm more Web savvy then a lot of women I know around me so I try to be present in some geek circles, online and off, even though I might feel like I fully belong.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:23:35):
Hello rkrato
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:23:54):
I might not feel, that is
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:24:0):
Hi
*** (2005-7-30 9:24:3):Technorati tags on Blogher: http://technorati.com/tag/blogher
laura says (2005-7-30 9:24:6):
And it seems that men individually are much more approachable and receptive than men collectively
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:24:15):
True, Laura
laura says (2005-7-30 9:24:52):
So whenever we try to broach this subject with men, they get all defensive -- because individually they are fine, perhaps, but they are not aware of their collective dynamic
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:24:53):
Yet, the agenda is what is usually set by the males in the group and rarely are women's concerns ranked high. Is it because of the issues or that we are women, or that these are women's issues?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:25:12):
Very true
laura says (2005-7-30 9:25:20):
And men also seem woefully unaware of the privileges they enjoy in this culture
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:25:35):
I completed insulted a conference organizer once because I made him notice that he didn't have any woman speaker.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:25:58):
He started telling me how much of a feminist he was... Very defensive.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:26:4):
So if we need to engage men, and they get defensive when we treat them as men collectively and not as individuals, how do we change the dominant paradigm?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:26:38):
That defensiveness, yes, Martine, I know what you mean
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:26:42):
Participation. Volunteering.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:26:50):
You see that a lot from male bloggers, too
*** (2005-7-30 9:26:55):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , womanofsize !
*** (2005-7-30 9:27:6):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , image415 !
laura says (2005-7-30 9:27:7):
hello everyone! join in!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:27:9):
What I notice is when women do they, they get type-cast as "one issue" people and back to laura's point, it is because they do not recognize that the same could be said about men, but it is so universal, it goes un-noticed.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:27:12):
I've noticed that when men start talking about organizing a tech related conference, very few women volunteer to help organize.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:27:48):
we're not stupid
laura says (2005-7-30 9:27:58):
we know the patterns
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:28:8):
I am hi-tech and I noticed that men will help each other, but when a woman asks the same question it is "well, if you don't know what, why are you even here?"
laura says (2005-7-30 9:28:22):
I personally tend to not back away from that dynamic, but I much prefer working with women in collective organizations
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:29:5):
I was an engineer in an engineering company - Hewlett-Packard - and I had top accept the dominant (male) technical culture and I was not the only woman to notice it.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:29:16):
image, rkato, womanofsize, Rachel, Rosalea -- welcome!
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:29:39):
thanks!  sorry, i'm too tech un-savvy to jump into the conversation
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 9:30:0):
hello..
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:30:9):
We are talking about why blog are dominated by men
laura says (2005-7-30 9:30:25):
Our focus here is not technical but more on the first topic of the Blogher conference
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:30:29):
The tech part came up as a sub point
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:30:40):
gotcha, thanks
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Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:30:55):
http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/debate_play_by_.html
*** (2005-7-30 9:30:57):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , 7even !
*** (2005-7-30 9:31:4):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , rkrato !
laura says (2005-7-30 9:31:14):
Everyone, if the sounds drive you crazy, you can turn off the sound using the speaker icon up top
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 9:31:42):
have you seen the results of the MIT survey?  thye implied more women - or more women answered anyway
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:31:52):
The fact many people are not technical should not keep them from speaking out on issues.
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:32:21):
Just curious if anyone here in chat is actually at the conference?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:32:23):
MIT survey? Would love to know about it.
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 9:32:46):
just looking up the link
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:32:47):
Waiting for them to start. It's 8:30 out there in CA.
*** (2005-7-30 9:32:56):rversde23 lost connection, left the room
*** (2005-7-30 9:33:23):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , mb !
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 9:33:35):
http://blogsurvey.media.mit.edu/results
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:33:40):
I haven't seen anything about a webcast, I assume that there isn't any.
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:33:48):
other than this chat
laura says (2005-7-30 9:33:54):
They are going to have delayed podcasts
*** (2005-7-30 9:33:57):stevegarfield lost connection, left the room
*** (2005-7-30 9:34:4):Blogher Blogroll: http://www.bloglines.com/public/BlogHer
laura says (2005-7-30 9:34:7):
And there are live bloggers keeping up on things
*** (2005-7-30 9:34:26):image415 lost connection, left the room
laura says (2005-7-30 9:34:37):
I am changing colors
laura says (2005-7-30 9:34:41):
such is my right
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:34:56):
you look nice in red {smile_smiley}
laura says (2005-7-30 9:35:15):
anyone can change colors -- use the toolbar right above the input box
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:35:49):
if most people are journaling about there lives, and many women are, that could certainly reflect the low number of links to their blogs.... but it is a convenient way to rank sites.  are there ideas out there for better ranking systems?  my blog could certainly benefit.
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:35:59):
sorry, 'their' lives
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:36:4):
Cooooooooooool
Rosalea says to  (2005-7-30 9:37:19):
Hi womanofsize--that relates to my earlier question, which was completely ignored. Not being tetchy or anything, but can we please get over the techy-stuff and get a conversation going on something of substance?
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:37:33):
my blog is very much a journal, but I'm not too concerned about how it ranks.
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:37:48):
how do you attract people to it rkrato?
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:37:49):
is it all about traffic/ratings/rankings? why do we re-create the same media class system online that we do in print/tv/radio? Is blogging not worth doing if no one listens (except for a tree)?
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 9:38:15):
an external ranking system needs something to measure.  difficult to do on more subjective items, soi thats why links can be used.
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:38:19):
7 even: for me, yes.  i want people to listen to what i have to say!
antonella says to Karen (2005-7-30 9:38:29):
I agree. When we say "blogs are dominated by males" is because we measure success the same way they do.
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 9:38:50):
but external ranking =  external validation.
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:38:56):
rachel: understood, but there must be some other objective system.  votes, perhaps?  on some voting site?
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7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:39:5):
would you make your blog more provacative to drive traffic?
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 9:39:8):
Sorry, I was really replying to 7Even
laura says (2005-7-30 9:39:10):
Rosalea, what is the question you'd like to focus on?
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:39:30):
provocative in what way?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:40:8):
Maybe it has to do with reach. The number of people we reach is a measure more than "rating" or maybe "ratings" is another way of saying reach?
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:40:13):
ahh, look at what tv ended up as when ratings became the goal. sex, gossip, dysfunction
laura says (2005-7-30 9:40:14):
It seems to me that women are more natural "connectors" -- it's a surprise to me that women lose out on the linking paradigm
laura says (2005-7-30 9:40:35):
The only thing I can think of is that women link to men, too, while men tend not to link to women
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:40:44):
i agree with laura, but we need to find a better way to connect, maybe
Rosalea says to  (2005-7-30 9:40:52):
Actually, it is being addressed now in this conversation. It just concerns me that there are jobs on Craigslist for example where you get paid $3 for every product you include in your blog. How are people to know that the blog they're reading isn't just product placement?
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 9:41:3):
Is there a way to measure audience rather than links to a blog?
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:41:20):
Seek out blogs without ads.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:41:21):
Yet, TV had something to do with revenue and making money. Few blogs, as yet, are on that scale.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:41:32):
Commercial pressures, that's a big quandry for all publishers in all media
Rosalea says to  (2005-7-30 9:41:52):
Product placement in films/TV is pretty darned obvious, but how do you differentiate between a genuine like by a blogger and a paid product placement in their blog?
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Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 9:42:8):
antonella: you can measure traffic to your blog, and I assume the hosted services offer somethng like that as well???
laura says (2005-7-30 9:42:25):
On DailyKos, during the "pie fight," Kos (or was it Steve Gilliard?) said that the ad was too valuable to drop. Money triumphed over the outrage of a large part of the membership.
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:42:29):
i'm not against advertisements if they're relevant, like adwords or something.  i think savvy readers will know the diff between product placement and honest info.
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:42:32):
there are several opposed goals: 1) drive traffic, 2) be real, 3) be influential, 4) connect. It seems #3 motivates a lto of people. Are blogs (the majority) truly influential or just preaching to the small converted?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:42:48):
Hello heathervscent. We're discussing ht efirst topic of the conference.
Rosalea says to rkrato (2005-7-30 9:42:56):
rkato, I'm not sure who's blog you were answering when you said Seek out blogs without ads.
antonella says to Rachel (2005-7-30 9:43:3):
Yes, I can measure hits on my blogs, but can this become a measure of success rather than links to. There a connection, of course, but i don't think it's the same thing.
Rosalea says to rkrato (2005-7-30 9:43:18):
OOps, I meant "chat you were answering".
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:43:18):
The question was about how to tell if a blog is placement ads.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:43:19):
I have a personal blog that uses Blogads, and never have felt conflicted about what I write. But then, my ads are at the bottom of the fee schedule, hardly a temptation
heathervescent says to  (2005-7-30 9:43:30):
hi there. just tuning in from the opening session
laura says (2005-7-30 9:43:56):
hi heather
laura says (2005-7-30 9:44:4):
we're debating the questions here
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womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:44:8):
ah... placement ads.  right.  i don't know.  i think readers just have to assume some people will be dishonest?  maybe not a good answer.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:44:8):
Really... how is the opening session. We're discussing it without being there.
Rosalea says to rkrato (2005-7-30 9:44:42):
Well, there is no way to tell if the person is getting paid to do product placement. Let's say I put in my blog that I was just doing stuff on my new MP3widget and it's great! How do you know I wasn't paid $3 to put that phrase in there?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:44:58):
But are ads what  sets the "rules?"
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womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:45:29):
karen: 'rules'?  are you talking about rankings, etc.?  male dominance?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:45:54):
Debate: Play by today's rules--or change the game?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:45:55):
If someone is going to sell out their integrity for 3 bucks, I would hope that would show up in their overall writing
Rosalea says to womanofsize (2005-7-30 9:46:8):
womanofsize--it's not dishonest to do placement ads is it? It's deceptive maybe. The problem is that bloggers who do it risk making every blog be looked at sideways.
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:46:49):
who is the most influential blogger in the world today? is it a man? and how did he get so influential?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:47:1):
How does the question of ad placement relate to the subject of the first session?
Rosalea says to womanofsize (2005-7-30 9:47:10):
I'm wondering if there is a tagging system that would allow bloggers to differentiate themselves--like HonorTags for citizen journalists.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:47:20):
Not sure how to measure who is, but I am sure the top few are dominated by men
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:47:28):
tattoos of authenticity
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:47:33):
hm... i'd say placement ads aren't part of the rules.  they may bring in more money to a blogger but not necc. more traffic.
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:47:37):
What are the "rules"?  Are there rules in the blog world?
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antonella says to Rosalea (2005-7-30 9:47:43):
Yes, a tagging system
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:47:44):
I think people do fine without them, certainly.
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womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:48:16):
well, one rule at this point certainly seems to be to get many people to link to you
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:48:36):
Is "linking" the game?
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:48:38):
what for? (leading question)
Rosalea says to Martine (2005-7-30 9:48:45):
Hi Martine, the rules of the game, I think, revolve around money. You can turn it into a male v. female thing all you like, but in the end the direction that blogging will go in will be the direction the money goes in.
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:49:10):
blogs = money?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:49:16):
I disagree, Rosalea
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:49:24):
I disagree as well
laura says (2005-7-30 9:49:35):
While the superbloggers have traffic to draw real money, the rest of us do not
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:49:40):
But at this point, I think very few people make a living as professional bloggers. Most people do it for other reasons.
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:49:43):
political blogs = talk radio v2?
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:49:51):
My blog is broken I think {smile_smiley}
laura says (2005-7-30 9:49:56):
The blogads on my personal site have netted $95 for the year so far, which hardly covers the hosting fees.
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:50:13):
sex ads do the best
laura says (2005-7-30 9:50:20):
But I think it's a fair point about the superbloggers
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:50:21):
my blog is netting around - $50 a year at the moment.
Rosalea says to laura (2005-7-30 9:50:23):
I'm not talking about money for the blogger. It's like the gold rush--the people who made the money were the Levi Strauss's of the world, the people who provision the gold miners.
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:50:26):
that is negative
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:50:34):
I believe there will always be a part of blogging that will resist commercial urges.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:50:34):
But that's mainly a male deal - those kinds of ads.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:50:51):
Going by the Blogads rates, DailyKos is pulling in about $300,000 - $500,000 a year
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:51:23):
commercial blogs vs. non commercial
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:51:25):
There's nothing anti-woman about blogs making money.  i'm not following here.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:51:29):
rkrato, I should have said grossed, not netted. I havve no net, either, on the personal site
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:51:40):
as long as influence and traffic (read: power) are the goal - it will mimic evey other competetive human endeavor and devolve into the usual
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Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:51:57):
Exactly, 7even
laura says (2005-7-30 9:52:4):
And pingVision is a professional site, so we don't really even want ads on our site (at least we haven't figured out why or how yet)
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:52:14):
But I don't think that blogging is about power and traffic for most people
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:52:26):
then what is the goal?
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:52:31):
'devolve into the usual': so you think you're following the 'rules'?  how do you define them?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:52:32):
Which brings us back to the fact blog structures resememble corprate structure which are male in outlook.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:52:38):
Connection. Expression. Sharing.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:52:42):
But that's the thing, Martine -- we all express ourselves, but mostly it's just the men who are heard
laura says (2005-7-30 9:53:2):
And thus when "the bloggers' influence events, it's the male bloggers mostly
rkrato says to  (2005-7-30 9:53:9):
I hear a lot of women
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:53:13):
yes, Karen - we are re-creating the same class power structure online
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 9:53:20):
Is your goal to be heard by everybody?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:53:20):
Yes, Laura, I agree with that part
laura says (2005-7-30 9:53:22):
Because female bloggers lose out in the dominant linking heirarchies that define search engine rankings
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:53:26):
Should we care if men approve of our message? Is it important to have a high rating among men?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:53:42):
It's not about me, personally, but more of women's voices in general
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:53:47):
karen: yes, if men are a part of the population of blog readers
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Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:54:33):
Women read men's blogs, but men seem not to care if women do, why does that seem to work that way?
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:54:58):
karen: i'm not disagreeing, but what gives you that idea?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:55:7):
Do you really believe men don't seem to care if women read them?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:55:11):
Is it because men have power in the world and we need them more than they need us?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:55:36):
But women are traffic and men care about traffic (as women do)
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:55:46):
i agree w/ martine
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:55:53):
men will generally make anything competitive - do we want to follow along? like we do in the corporate world. sharing, connection - for many, many men bloggers it is about power and influence.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:56:12):
Yes &even, that is more of what I meant
Rosalea says to  (2005-7-30 9:56:22):
Is anybody in the chat room actually at the conference session?
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 9:56:27):
i'm not sure if this was stated, but we blog about different things
laura says (2005-7-30 9:56:35):
men want women to read them, but men (collectively) tend to not show much interest in what women say
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 9:56:38):
i'm coming to the conference in a few mintues
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Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:56:58):
But doesn't it depend on the subject of the blog?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:57:3):
at least that's what seems to show in the linking paradigm
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7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:57:23):
wnba, why is it failing? is there a parallel?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:57:54):
wnba?
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laura says (2005-7-30 9:58:3):
basketball?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:58:8):
ah
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:58:36):
men define the game, define the rules - and we feel it is our problem that we don't do as well - why play that way?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:58:38):
Are all women's blogs, on any subject, less successful than men's?
laura says (2005-7-30 9:58:41):
it seems that women's sports that succeed have sex appeal. but the women bloggers who succeed are just very eloquent and insightful
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:58:53):
Or is it just the technical/geek blogs?
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:4):
successful in a very limited, literate subset of people
laura says (2005-7-30 9:59:6):
but few smart , eloquent and insightful women get really noticed
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:20):
unless they are sexy, read: wonkette
laura says (2005-7-30 9:59:26):
political blogs are dominated by men
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:33):
power
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:34):
is it that women tend to live-journal more than men, and personal journals don't get noticed?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:41):
Hi, this is Ethan from The Vision Thing - I have some opinions re: linking, etc
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:42):
Try being a woman blogging in a different language than English! LOL
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:45):
Men's political and organization strutures are centered around men's strengths and the way men do things. They have a "home court" advanatage over women.
laura says (2005-7-30 9:59:51):
yes ethan?
7even says to  (2005-7-30 9:59:55):
my cat did an interesting thing the other day.....
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 10:0:0):
Like someone said above.  is it just that we blog on different topics that's creating the divide
antonella says to laura (2005-7-30 10:0:1):
So, Laura, you are saying that women need to be "more" than men to get to the same level of popularity>
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 10:0:4):
i wonder if bloggers have to go back to the times before the 1900s where women had to write with men names to get recognition
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 10:0:41):
rversse: haha.
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 10:0:49):
I think the divide is 1) on different topics and 2) women don't necessarily have time?
laura says (2005-7-30 10:0:53):
i don't know antonella. but in the pllitical arena, i can think of only 4 or 5 "bloggers" who are not TV personalities, and who are linked regularly on political sites
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 10:1:6):
women don't have time for what?
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:1:29):
1. I tend to read/notice/link to things based on content, note gender. I am doing a year-long study on my linking patterns, and interestingly enough, despite that approach women get linked to the least (not barely any links, just third place out of 3 categories
7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:1:45):
women shoulder a larger burden of domestic duties, leaving men more time to blog : this is true
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:1:51):
Men = 2
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:2:2):
Non-gender specific = 1 (like CNN)
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 10:2:2):
I dont know--i'm channeling an article I read by a Perspective Editor who was saying that when she asks women to write articles, they are always hesitant and cite time.  And then when she asks men, they are always up for it.  Why is that?
laura says (2005-7-30 10:2:7):
ethan, do you think that's in part because men don't find what women think to be of much interest?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:2:15):
not me personally
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 10:2:23):
Are we scared of people judging us?
Rosalea says to laura (2005-7-30 10:2:32):
Laura--the schedule for the current session says "livebloggers - All" but I've tried a bunch at random and can't find anyone actually blogging the session. Do you know of anyone who definitely is?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:2:36):
BUT - I have been checking out Globe of Blogs - check out the blog descriptions
laura says (2005-7-30 10:3:2):
Well, Maureen Dowd (no let's not get sidetracked on her opinions) speaks of how she has been a target, being a woman with opinions on a major newspaper
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:3:40):
Livebloggers: they are tag teaming. Technorati is slow. Let me find a direct link to direct links
7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:3:51):
if all women bloggers put a sexy picture on the top of their blog, traffic (and influence) would increase. the medium has changed, humans have not.
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 10:3:55):
The funny thing is that I find many of  the "popular" blogs boring, and some of the "obcure" ones interesting. I think a lot of the people reading blogs have just different interests I have.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:3:57):
this will get  me in trouble because I don't have anything empirical to back this up, but I'm noticing that lots of "professional" blogs by women have lousy decriptions relative to that category - however I want to stress here that women aren't the only culprits, just the ones that jump out at me :(
ext337 says to  (2005-7-30 10:3:57):
I've got some notes up at ext337.org
laura says (2005-7-30 10:3:57):
Some live bloggers are named here: http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/track_blogher_l.html
Rosalea says to laura (2005-7-30 10:4:6):
Thanks!
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Karen says to antonella (2005-7-30 10:4:24):
Very true
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:4:43):
I concur w/Anontonella
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:5:7):
Blogs is where we get information that seems unavailanle anywhere else.
7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:5:16):
like what?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:5:21):
I read very little of the "Top 100" at Technorati for example
laura says (2005-7-30 10:5:37):
No accounting for taste. One of the biggest solo political bloggers I find to be so random I just can't follow him at all. I think he's popular because he gets news scoops.
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 10:5:52):
So, I am not surprised that most of the people in the blog world may not interested in what I care about. Maybe the prolbem is to create an audience for the things we care about.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:5:59):
Talks like this, for example, would not happen on a "men's" site. We'd all clam up
rversde23 says to  (2005-7-30 10:6:28):
I think it goes back to defining our own paradigm
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:6:29):
Karen, that could be where part of the problem is
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:6:44):
that we clam up?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:6:48):
yes
7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:6:54):
?
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 10:6:55):
So, why do we blog? What are we trying to get out of it?
7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:7:2):
cool hunting
laura says (2005-7-30 10:7:15):
Antonella, one of the front-page posters on a superblog would go on and on about how if you're not a popular blogger, you're not saying anything interesting. But he was writing that from a huge platform that gets 100,000+ hits a day thanks to collective interest in that collectie site
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:7:38):
Say I was talking about sexuality. I would immediately be pounced on if there were men there... well, not always, there are many decent men, but there are enough who would turn it into sdomething else so that it would not be worth it.
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:8:3):
Hello, everyone. Feel free to jump in any time!
antonella says to laura (2005-7-30 10:8:22):
So, do we care? The fact the he is popular doesn't make it more interesting to me.
josiefraser says to  (2005-7-30 10:8:29):
Hello everyone - just a quick hello from the UK - v. sad I couldn't afford to get to the con.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:8:45):
I find the super blogs unweilding and terribly boring
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:8:46):
hello from Texas btw - couldn't make it either
womanofsize says to  (2005-7-30 10:8:50):
i have to sign off... this is a great conversation, and a great idea for a conference.  thanks to the hosts.
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7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:9:6):
I don't associate gender with most blogs, I usually don't even know or care. lots of collective ones like boingboing blur this line
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:9:24):
welcome josie
josiefraser says to  (2005-7-30 10:9:38):
Some of the collectives do a good job - but I really like a lot of women written blogs
laura says (2005-7-30 10:9:43):
good point about boinboing, the #1 site
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:9:47):
I personally don't care who is popular, either I like reading the blog or I don't
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:10:8):
but maybe that's the secret -- that boingboing is a mixed-gender effort
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:10:35):
boingboing also has been around for a lonnnng time
7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:10:36):
how many blogs to you read vs. participate. blogs are becoming like tv to me, i jump  online and check to see whats on (going on)
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:10:44):
I think ultimately, if we give a lot of importance to ratings and top 100 this and that, we'll lose a lot of energy and time and miss out on what blogs are bringing that is new.
laura says (2005-7-30 10:10:44):
visionthing, how do you know you're finding the things you'd find interesting? many of the most interesting sites never get good search engine rankings
antonella says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 10:10:47):
So, why are we so caught by the popularity game> Do we want make a lot of money or being read by "everybody". I personally don't (yet {tongue_smiley}
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:10:49):
i look for things I'm interested in; but find that in many cases the blogs I read are written by men for the usbjects I read
josiefraser says to  (2005-7-30 10:11:2):
It isn't just that - because blogs like gizmodo have mixed sex contributers but still manage to be male cenric
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:11:5):
I don't use only one method to seek out new stuff
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:11:30):
I like to follow random links, such as when people include their URL in blog comments
7even says to  (2005-7-30 10:11:40):
drama = traffic
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 10:11:43):
Can we create a place where interesting blogs can be linked? If the problem is findability...
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josiefraser says to  (2005-7-30 10:11:48):
I have too many feeds - over 200 at the moment
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:11:49):
7even = yes
laura says (2005-7-30 10:11:58):
Here's some liveblogging you'd NEVER see a man do: http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2005/07/blogher_shoes_f.html
josiefraser says to  (2005-7-30 10:12:6):
probably 100 for work & the rest personal interest
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:12:13):
random is good - almost all of the ones I read are found by following links; i rarely use search.
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antonella says to  (2005-7-30 10:12:46):
Same, here. I found the blogs I love the most by following links, not by search. Word of mouth....
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:12:59):
Ha ha! The shoes.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:12:59):
plus I have RSS dragnets looking for stuff that interests me
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:13:20):
www.pubsub.com is a great tool for that
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Karen says to Rachel (2005-7-30 10:13:37):
I agree. I read things about men. All women do, but do men know as much about women as women know about men. Again, with men in power, we need to know about them, but do they really need to know about us, expect how to get us on a date and a bit more?
josiefraser says to  (2005-7-30 10:13:37):
I'm off now - I'll swing by again later. Hoping to help set up a UK/european blogher con next year.
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Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:14:31):
Can someone confirm that there is no broadcasting of the sessions? I missed the answer.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:14:38):
Aside from live blogging.
laura says (2005-7-30 10:14:39):
No broadcast
laura says (2005-7-30 10:14:47):
They hope for it next year
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:14:51):
Thanks
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:14:53):
Not this year, anyway
laura says (2005-7-30 10:14:57):
It will all be available via IT conversations
laura says (2005-7-30 10:15:1):
podcasts
laura says (2005-7-30 10:15:13):
and someone is videoblogging, but I've not found the link yet
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:15:21):
Karen - I tend to read a lot of marketing and technology sites (the area I work in) for some reason a lot are male written.
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Karen says to Rachel (2005-7-30 10:16:10):
My area too and more and more women there, but it still is not a welcoming place, at least that's my experuence.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:16:13):
Re; Rachel's comment: It doesn't help that prominent bloggers like Kirsten Osolind and Jennifer Rice have throw in the towel
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:17:23):
just the same, finding new voices takes effort, and with regard to the TV analogy, some people aren't willing to invest that kind of effort
Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 10:17:32):
I know the feeling of being the only one and finally just giving up. Is it worth it? Is it fun? The study about executive women who found corporate life rather boring and wanted to do things more interesting.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:18:0):
This woman is blogging live right now, I think:
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:18:1):
http://socalmom.typepad.com/
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:18:31):
the barriers are lowering, (easier technology) making it more likely women will use the tools available.  but there is still the effort requried to blog..and I think women often have a braoder view of things to do; men may tend to focus on fewer 'hobbies'
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:18:42):
I think one problem w/blogging is, like someone said upstream, it's more about competition (like these "top X" lists) and not about what the expected outcome from blogging is
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:19:43):
I advised someone recently to focus on what you want to *give* when blogging, not receive
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:19:47):
Part of blogging comes from adapting to a wider social group.
ext337 says to  (2005-7-30 10:19:56):
it's got to be visibility for a reaons right?  that can't just be an end in and of itself.
laura says (2005-7-30 10:20:6):
Back to money, then: Many great bloggers back off because they cannot afford to do it. What if they could get paid for it? How many women draw enough traffic to actually make a living blogging?
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:20:48):
I'm a believer in the "after this, therefore, because of this" approach to profiting from blogging or podcasting
laura says (2005-7-30 10:20:51):
The thing is, if you get paid to do something, that means you can do it more, and get better at it. That's the real difference between professionals and amateurs.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:21:3):
the money isn't in the act itself, it's because you did it
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:21:27):
I am amazed at the sheer volume some people are able to output - clear, literate, well researched, cogent. Wow! And then to not be paid. On one blog some people were "attacked" for having the fortitude to do it and asked "when are you gonna get a real job?"
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:21:30):
I'm not sure there's enough people making a living form blogging to split by gender yet.  very few as far as I'm aware
laura says (2005-7-30 10:21:33):
The best bloggers I know just do not have enough traffic to make money at it, so they write just a little
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:21:36):
Laura, I disagree, the money is nice, but I have found that if you *are* something, like a writer, you write anyway
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Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:21:40):
but this whole blogging thing is about what amateurs can bring
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:22:3):
But how much time do you have to write?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:22:27):
I make time, personally, but I don't consider myself to be a "writer"
laura says (2005-7-30 10:22:37):
Shelley (Burningbird) announced she's cutting her cable, and only barely was able to keep her internet connection. She is one of the best bloggers on IT and the internet out there.
antonella says to laura (2005-7-30 10:22:48):
Not very much. But still, I am not sure I would want to blog for a living.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:23:4):
If people are professional writers, they spend their time in an office or working on the great novel. Blogging has additional aspects and they are not necessrily ones having to do with money -- at least not exclusively. It is apassion, too.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:23:17):
Karen: yes
laura says (2005-7-30 10:23:27):
DailyKos is taking in a half million a year. It CAN be quite lucrative, if you get the traffic
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:23:55):
it is possible to blog on the cheap, after all there is free internet at the library (usually, in case there isn't everywhere)
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:24:2):
And Kos does not do all the writing. Talk about Tom Sawyer.
laura says (2005-7-30 10:24:2):
I agree with the passion, too. I'm just arguing one side to explore the question. Does the dominant linking heirarchy have financial consequences?
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Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:24:12):
brb
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:24:35):
it's the same as writing books - only a few make lots of money. most authors do it for the passion
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:24:48):
Laura: maybe, but I think it's only if sheer popularity/traffic is the driving force
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:24:54):
But those who do make money at it, can write more.
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:25:3):
ethan - it's a small world.  just realised I sent you an email earlier today
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:25:25):
or not, don't forget about complacency
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:25:30):
heh
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:25:44):
so you're "that" Rachel! {laugh_smiley}
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:26:6):
oh yes
laura says (2005-7-30 10:26:18):
Let's also remember, women make much less money than men. Many women I know have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by. (Men, too.) Who has time for blogging after working 18 hours a day?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:27:5):
I will note here that a) I dinna get my case of Brit Booze, which proves my point that none exists, and b) Smirnoff is not Brit Booze, but brits have been seen drinking it {tongue_smiley}
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:27:45):
welcome Isla, ping and Grace (and anyone else I missed)
ping says to  (2005-7-30 10:28:7):
Hi Laura.
Petite_Isla says to Alison (2005-7-30 10:28:14):
Thanks and Hi
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Alison says to  (2005-7-30 10:28:50):
What's happening? Is the debate still going on?
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ping says to  (2005-7-30 10:29:13):
Yes, there are lots of audience members speaking.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:29:16):
Are we interested in vast circulation or making connections. Vast circulation blogs are like newspapers, meaning not all the content gets read.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:29:20):
SoCalMom is blogging the current session in a lot of details: http://socalmom.typepad.com/
laura says (2005-7-30 10:30:15):
http://socalmom.typepad.com/travelblog/2005/07/the_debate.html
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:31:25):
If I wanted to talk about narrow issues having to do with raising children as a single moth, I am not sure a Meg Blog is a place to do that.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:31:45):
here's another angle with the whole blogging thing - not everything that is blogged is meant to be "saleable"
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:31:59):
agreed
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:32:27):
it's like open mic night 24/7 - some people just want to blog because they can, not to attract/impress/retain and audience
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:32:29):
The "rules" are still unformed, but some people have decided to structure the thing to make money.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:33:14):
I alos wonder how many bloggers kept a diary/journal before blogging was an option?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:33:18):
(I did)
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:33:27):
Like the telephone (whose lines we use) some want to sel a product and others want to chat about what's on their mind.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:34:0):
Yes. An open diary - journaling, which I did.
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Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:34:49):
It may get down to why people blog.
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:35:46):
btw for anyone who is interested, here is my ongoing link study: http://www.thevisionthing.com/diversity_report.php
laura says (2005-7-30 10:35:57):
Here are some links on the current session http://ext337.org/article/bloghercon-opening-session
laura says (2005-7-30 10:36:7):
http://www.lynnedjohnson.com/diary/000559.html
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:36:15):
I was reading SoCal Mom's report and someone mentioned the :guys don't link" post at Burning Bird
laura says (2005-7-30 10:36:18):
http://www.blogaholics.ca/archives/2005/07/blogher_session.html
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Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:37:19):
Is "traffic" the issue for everyone. Certainly to make money or increase influence, but that may not be everyone's goal.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:37:24):
I disagree with blanket claims that guys don't link (to women, apparently) - I think some people do only link to people they know online (Live Journal is good for this)
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:38:0):
Re the cultural aspects, here's a National article linked by Amanda (who's not at the conf, btw): http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050530&s=anderson
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:38:35):
If you go down the blogrolls of the 100 largest blogs, how many women do you think you'd find there?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:38:48):
I think blanket statements get us in trouble. But there is a feeling that women's blogs simply do to command and I wondered why that is?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:39:8):
Laura - is that the sole arbiter of who links/does not?
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:39:40):
BurningBird doesn't carry a public blogroll, nor do I - in my case I link to my public BlogLines list
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:39:43):
hi dorothyblueyes
laura says (2005-7-30 10:40:7):
No, but it is one indication. The superblogs drive a lot of traffic, whereby others discover sites and link to them. And the same "cream" is whipped over and over, while the milk underneath is not touched
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:40:27):
I also note that blogrolls tend to be "static" where if you're in, you're in - I'm much more interested in contextual links in the posts themselves
laura says (2005-7-30 10:40:28):
Shelley took hers down a few months ago, in disgust at this linking heirarchy
laura says (2005-7-30 10:40:55):
So is Google, lately. They've raised the value of in-article links over blogrolls.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:41:9):
Again, and this is maybe only me, the superblogs are too large to take in. It becomes a cereer to just keep up.
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:41:17):
hi, karen; what's going on, first? like, how to be commercial? {flower_smiley}
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:41:18):
Interesting point about contextual links, visonthinblog
laura says (2005-7-30 10:41:26):
Don't be shy, people! Speak up! Things can be rolling fast here, but it doesn't mean we're ignoring anyone
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:41:40):
someone made a great point that the famed "Where is Raed" blog that was hot during the latest Iraq war hasn't been updated in over a year but is still in the "hot 100"
laura says (2005-7-30 10:41:51):
Here's some survey background on the conference:
About the participants

    * 15% don’t have a blog (yet)
    * 20% are men
    * +50% non-Bay Area
    * 52% have never attended a conference, session or panel on blogging
    * 42% wanted education, exposure AND community
    * 30% wanted to meet bloggers
    * 15% wanted education (tech, traffic, stats—technical expertise)
    * 75% care about traffic, links, or both
    * 40% of 25% said they don’t play the traffic, links game
    * 37% want less talk, mo
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:41:56):
We are the virtual conference people, not in CA, trying to talk about the first topic...
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:42:16):
52% have never attented a conference? Wow...
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Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 10:42:33):
http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/debate_play_by_.html
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:42:34):
I'm one of those 52%-ers
laura says (2005-7-30 10:42:40):
75% care about traffic ... which is what we're discussing here, in part -- yes?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:42:43):
That's a surprise.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:43:0):
the surprise being 52% never attented a conference
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:43:15):
will I ever know the joys of airport wi-fi? ;-)
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:43:33):
yes, I have only been to star trek conventions, ha ha {typing_smiley}
Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 10:43:55):
I got a phone call a moment ago when I did the brb and the person who called did not even know what a blog was. I excused myself. But interestingly few know about blogs. We're really breaking new ground here.
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Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:44:22):
It's always amazing to see how you have to start from the start, all over again.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:44:27):
by the way, since this is being recorded for posterity, I want to congratulate the organizers, sponsors, volunteers, and participants for pulling together a fantastic conference with a relatively short runway - bravo!
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:44:35):
yes, some of my online chat friends asked me"what is a blog?" the other day
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:44:43):
Yes, kuddos
laura says (2005-7-30 10:45:21):
The BlogHer women have done a fabulous job! We're proud to be able to play a small small part by hosting this chatroom.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:45:31):
Ditto
Alison says to  (2005-7-30 10:46:0):
Ditto on the bravo vision thing!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:46:9):
I would say 80-percent of the US population is completely unaware of blogs.
Alison says to  (2005-7-30 10:46:44):
BlogHer has sort of unfolded from what I can tell, into part celebration, part adventure
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:46:57):
Karen - yeah it's hard to believe when you're one of the practitioners that other people have no idea what you've been doing (bog? Blog? whaaa?)
laura says (2005-7-30 10:47:2):
arieanna has good coverage from the conf: http://www.blogaholics.ca/archives/2005/07/blogher_live_th.html
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:47:2):
My 88 yr. old mom is here, right by me, and wants to say hi; "Hi; how are you? hope you are well;what are the women doing today, to make everyone happy,and have fun?"   yep, that's my mom {laugh_smiley}
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:47:7):
I recently gave a talk to a group of professional journalists about blogs. They were big names (in Quebec), working for big papers, tv channels, etc, and they barely knew about blogs (or knew nothing at all).
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:47:17):
In marketing we call that "pent up demand." People want to know about it, but don't know how to know about it.
Karen says to Martine (2005-7-30 10:47:48):
Yes. My point also.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:47:54):
the media is no help, I've found - somehow the same 5-7 sites get mentioned for everything
Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 10:48:21):
Hello to you both from the Rocky Mountains!
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:48:28):
Someone in the SF Chronicle just said, "will blogs replace journalism,and newspapers?" what do you think? {weird_smiley}
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:48:44):
that's a whole other conference! :-)
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:48:55):
heh
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:49:33):
Dorothy - no, unless people want to collectively report on stuff themselves, and not "just" link to CNN headlines and call it reporting
Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 10:49:36):
I think journalists are not reporting local stories any more. News is getting ever more expensive and more and more like entertainment. They are leaving the local reporting to bloggers. We aren't taking over - they're merely leaving the field.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:50:10):
Karen - I think podcasting is a big help in this area
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:50:17):
Very good point, Karen
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:50:36):
the lesson of podcasting is that interesting people are in our very midst!
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:50:49):
it's just a matter of actually making them
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:50:53):
the wiki reporting on the London bombings was an intersting read.  It was far more obvious in its corections that Sky news, which made many claims during hte day that weren;tr substantiated
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:50:57):
(the podcasts)
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 10:51:29):
I noticed how I got more out of blogs and Wiki than from the official news during the Londong bombings
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:51:37):
Clayton Christensen at Harvard Business School speaks of how the mini-mills rushed upmarket as the integrated steel mills got out of market after market that was not rewarding until the "majors" simply ended up leaving the steel business. Maybe media is headed toward more entertainment and less content and so that's what i happening with newspapers.
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:51:52):
in the UK, journalists are reporting on a wide range of blogs and are using them to some extent as a way of reporting
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 10:53:1):
reading multiple sources gives you a far better impresion of how people are thinking.  I;d still go to something like the BBC for the factual info
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:53:31):
Karen - the other thing I've noticed is the way reporters clump up around a big story (I will not opine here as to whether the story in question deserves that much attention) - so blogs can certainly fill the void
Karen says to Rachel (2005-7-30 10:53:34):
Totally agree. Different news comes form different sources.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:53:45):
To get back to the subject of the current sessions, I think the issue of exposure has a lot to do with the way linking works and the evolution of it.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:54:3):
I haven't updated my blogroll in ages and I know i'm not the only one
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Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:54:50):
But blogrolls still count when Technorati and the other ones look at linking
Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 10:54:54):
And to Martine - but isn't the link also the clumping?
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:55:6):
Martine - here is something I can't come to grips with: Technorati tracks what, 13 million blogs now? I am ranked 43,000 (yay me) - and I don't have many links
Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 10:55:17):
That is. If everyone clumps, everyone links?
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:55:35):
so that makes me wonder what's going on with lower ranked blogs
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:55:46):
I know that the USA media(news) does censor stuff that the rest of the world knows about, so sometimes I have to go outside the uSA news, to find out what is happening; cause our govt. is censoring it in the US. Sorry, it's true. {cool_smiley}
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:55:47):
I'm afraid to say I don't trust Technorati that much
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:55:50):
= where are they? Why can't I find them? etc
girljournalist says to  (2005-7-30 10:56:2):
does anyone remember the woman's name/blog who was talking about creating a new taxonomy for listing blogs? the one that said she wasn't going to require us to do any math...
antonella says to Martine (2005-7-30 10:56:34):
Does technorati work anyway? I had the same number of link/ranking for a month, and I know that it's not true...
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:56:42):
re: linking as clumping, I agree
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:56:48):
I can't make sense of it
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:56:55):
Technorati, that is, and the results it gives
laura says to girljournalist (2005-7-30 10:56:57):
are you talking about Shelley at Burningbird?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 10:57:1):
so I won't give it too much importance
girljournalist says to  (2005-7-30 10:57:13):
green striped shirt
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 10:57:14):
There must be thousands of blogs, though how could you list them all? {rolleye_smiley}
*** (2005-7-30 10:57:27):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , newbie1 !
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:57:31):
how many links to dancing hamsters do we need? But then again, not everyone is "into" blogging as an art form, I suppose so there's lots of me-tooism
laura says (2005-7-30 10:57:38):
Technorati seems to be very slow on keeping up with the traffic
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laura says (2005-7-30 10:58:6):
Our own posts don't show up for a day or more. Some BlogHer-related posts that popped up on Technorati this week were written weeks ago!
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 10:58:46):
I just stopped trusting Technorati especially as a way to measure popularity and ranking.
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:58:47):
here's another observation about men's linking habits, and/or the top 100 - there seems to be a network designed to give exposure to just that blogger, such as the network that surrounds Scoble
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 10:59:15):
There is so much OUT there - it's like trying to know everything that's on the news stand at Barnes & Nobel - and just to know that is more than I can handle, let alone read it.
*** (2005-7-30 10:59:19):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , samantha123 !
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visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 10:59:43):
some people link to certain bloggers regardless of content - my favorite is to check out "Eschaton" and see trackbacks to open thread links
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 11:0:0):
Well, let's look at men's linking habits; in the non internet world, they all gang up in groups,to protect and promote each other {evil_smiley}
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 11:0:44):
Mark Canter: If you don't like what's going on, start your own company and do it yourself. There could easily be a BlogHer 100. Create your own list and tell the men to F off.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 11:0:44):
Well, if it was like selling papers and you got 75-cents per copy, read or unread, that's one thing - but unless there is revenue involved, is circulation important if there is too much there to read?
*** (2005-7-30 11:0:44):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , sweetney !
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 11:0:53):
so as far as using linking solely as a method to raise awareness of female bloggers, would the cream really rise to the top? (Example: Wonkette gets beat up on quite a bit I see)
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 11:0:56):
Would a BlogHer 100 be useful?
antonella says to Martine (2005-7-30 11:1:24):
I think it would.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 11:1:40):
I might have an ego thing that 80,000 read "Karen's Blog," but if they really don't hear what I'm saying and merely zip in and out, should I feel all that good at the end of the day?
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 11:1:53):
Know what raises to the top in the real world? Ambitious, ruthless,agressive,and out to win. THAT'S CREAM???
laura says (2005-7-30 11:2:1):
Techorati excuse #1: Nile: If you do a direct ping to Technorati, we'll grab you within five minutes. We have a spike every morning (people who get to work and don't want to work right away, people in Europe who just got off work) and that could make it wait for 15 to 20 minutes.
laura says (2005-7-30 11:2:9):
That simply is not true
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 11:2:27):
I agree, Laura
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 11:2:42):
here's a question - don't "top 100" lists "just" promote competition? I see BlogHer as a vehicle to promote cooperation, and I am unsure if a Top X list would do that
laura says (2005-7-30 11:2:44):
I've gone and pinged not only our site, but many other sites, manually on their ping page, and even now those posts are not showing up
ping says to  (2005-7-30 11:2:53):
are there any services that are more responsive?
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sweetney says to  (2005-7-30 11:3:5):
do we really need a hierarchy?
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 11:3:10):
Not true. Besides, even if indeed Technorati get the post, they don't update the links and ranking.
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 11:3:10):
Aha!!!    Yes, it's that testosterone at work
visionthingblog says to  (2005-7-30 11:3:15):
del.icio.us is good
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laura says (2005-7-30 11:4:3):
So even Technorati spins the truth
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laura says (2005-7-30 11:4:24):
You'd think that at a blogger's conference he'd own up to the limitations of their system
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 11:4:29):
Laura, with this chatting software, is there a way to know who is who amongst the participants?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 11:4:46):
?
laura says (2005-7-30 11:4:49):
they have to identify themselves, I have no idea at all who's there and here
sweetney says to  (2005-7-30 11:4:59):
is there a way to get the URLs of those in the chat?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 11:5:10):
No links to individual blogs, if they have any?
laura says (2005-7-30 11:5:12):
no -- next year we'll ahve that ;)
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 11:5:13):
NNNaaaaaah. No human being ever owns up to limitations; Face it, humans lie,and decieve themselves
laura says (2005-7-30 11:5:27):
But feel free to link whore here {smile_smiley}
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 11:5:31):
Gotta start somewhere! ;-)
dorothyblueeyes says to  (2005-7-30 11:6:6):
Ha ha   yes, true,and I think this is a great chat {smile_smiley}
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 11:6:13):
do you want a wiki page for to keep a more permament record - I can set on up in a second?
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 11:6:20):
From Montreal: http://www.martinepage.com/blog/
*** (2005-7-30 11:6:21):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Cecily !
sweetney says to Alison (2005-7-30 11:6:21):
ya'll, post your URLS pleez
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 11:6:42):
I think this is what  linking is ..  knowing each other
laura says (2005-7-30 11:6:44):
Okay, I am going to copy what we have and post it. We'll keep going and after each conference, I'll copy and post the new action
sweetney says to Alison (2005-7-30 11:6:44):
charm city USA: http://www.sweetney.com