BLOGHER CONFERENCE '05 CHATROOM TRANSCRIPTS SECTION 2 (raw logs) Cecily says to (2005-7-30 11:15:27): I'll be back later today - I'm hoping people will cover some of the debate topics as well! Alison says to (2005-7-30 11:15:28): Go Halley! Cecily says to (2005-7-30 11:15:30): Have a great day everyone Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:15:49): In the furutre we all may well be seeing this live and participating over broadnband. Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:16:11): that would be ideal *** (2005-7-30 11:16:20):Cecily quit the room Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:16:23): I think that's where the techno is headed *** (2005-7-30 11:16:51):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , ericrice ! rkrato says to (2005-7-30 11:16:57): I can't wait. Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:17:2): I went to a conference where they had the live chat up on the screen behind the speakers. *** (2005-7-30 11:17:6):dorothyblueeyes lost connection, left the room laura says (2005-7-30 11:17:13): the first section of transcripts are now posted here: http://www.pingv.com/personal-blog-entry/laura/200507/blogher-chatroom-transcripts *** (2005-7-30 11:17:19):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , dorothyblueeyes ! Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:17:19): It was hard to follow but it made some interesting meta data! Alison says to (2005-7-30 11:17:22): I can't wait to listen to the audio, I love Halley's closing comment + challenge Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:17:39): We did that in 1980 in the Decade of Women with the Copenhagen Conference. We have come a long way since then. Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:18:10): You did what exactly, Karen? *** (2005-7-30 11:19:13):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Neville Hobson ! Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:19:13): He had satellite links and phone links and theyre were people in the USA and Europe and we could talk to each other. Visionary, but we proved we wanted to talk. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:19:19): Do we have any issues besides the medium, at this point?Or, did I miss that? {flush_smiley} laura says (2005-7-30 11:19:29): brb Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:19:29): Television pictures - until we lost some. LOL... but it is where I think we've been heading for quite a whie. Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:20:35): My point is blogs are evolving and we already want to be able to listen and watch, so this is really all about interacting - that's my personal point of view, POV. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:21:3): I want to thank everyone for putting their URls up there : ) ---hey, this helps me to interact more visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:21:11): yes *** (2005-7-30 11:21:48):samantha123 lost connection, left the room dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:22:11): QUESTION: Can anyone mention some really good women's websites(or blogs) that I should know about? I probably do not know too many {typing_smiley} *** (2005-7-30 11:22:16):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , mb ! Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:22:24): Having the live chat screened behind the speakers can be an interesting experience during a conference. *** (2005-7-30 11:22:31):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , samantha123 ! Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:22:36): You can find me on pingv.com Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:22:47): i.e. pingvision rkrato says to (2005-7-30 11:22:55): I missed the URL thing, mine is at http://radio.weblogs.com/0100146 Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:23:32): Karen and Laura: are you both working for/with PingVision and volunteering for the conference? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:24:8): Thanks *** (2005-7-30 11:24:14):Live Bloghers! http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/track_blogher_l.html Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:24:16): Pingvision is a program partner. Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:24:51): We are donating our efforts and laura's tireless work. *** (2005-7-30 11:25:14):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Shelley ! Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:25:33): Great. laura says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 11:25:43): www.ourword.org www.feministblogs.org are two that come to mind laura says to Martine (2005-7-30 11:26:3): yes rkrato says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 11:26:11): There are a bunch of good ones on the BlogHer conference page blogroll too *** (2005-7-30 11:26:48):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , barb dybwad ! dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:26:51): Mucho thankyous, Laura : ) laura says (2005-7-30 11:27:10): Here's a copy of the Blogher blogroll: http://www.pingv.com/sponsorships/the-blogher-blogroll *** (2005-7-30 11:28:20):ericrice lost connection, left the room Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:28:24): So the next session at the conference is not for another hour or so? Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:29:1): Indeed, and a bunch of new topics, all at once, too. *** (2005-7-30 11:29:20):Alison lost connection, left the room laura says (2005-7-30 11:29:24): There are a lot of people here. Anyone at Blogher right now? samantha123 says to (2005-7-30 11:30:17): Pingvision is super - deserves the BIG screen. thanks! laura says (2005-7-30 11:30:41): {laugh_smiley} Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:30:43): {heart_smiley} dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:31:29): Yes, this whole thing is beautiful; not like those GUY'S ugly stuff, ha ha ha {tongue_smiley} antonella says to (2005-7-30 11:32:22): I agree, I love Pingvision. Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 11:32:36): Ugly stuff? Guys don't do ugly stuff! Greetings from Amsterdam, by the way, hope you'r eall having a great time. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:32:41): (naaah, I better not diss the guys, we need them to reproduce the race, LOL heee heee antonella says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 11:32:56): Do we? Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:33:3): So where is the historical transcript with this replacement for IRC? visionthingblog says to Shelley (2005-7-30 11:33:23): actually you need about 100 guys, ranked by favorable attributes ;) laura says (2005-7-30 11:33:28): http://www.pingv.com/personal-blog-entry/laura/200507/blogher-chatroom-transcripts dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:33:30): I'm just pulling your legs, ha ha well, once ina while, I guess LOL (maybe not, ha ha) {laugh_smiley} Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:33:40): Thank you! laura says (2005-7-30 11:34:12): NOTE TO EVERYONE: In options you can expand your personall log size *** (2005-7-30 11:34:15):(Remember: Chat logs will be republished) laura says (2005-7-30 11:34:27): clicking on the piece of paper will bring up the history mb says to (2005-7-30 11:34:27): ooh, thanks. Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:34:31): It may toss you off when you do it Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:34:50): You'll be right back on, but it pitchedme off when I changed. laura says (2005-7-30 11:34:51): {shrug_smiley} dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:35:13): Far be it from me to be sexist, although it's been done to me too many times. But, once in a while, I LIKE it LOL laura says (2005-7-30 11:35:14): Welcome Shelley! laura says (2005-7-30 11:35:27): Were your ears ... um ... burning? Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:36:40): Sorry, I was reading trascript. No why? *** (2005-7-30 11:36:42):mb lost connection, left the room visionthingblog says to Shelley (2005-7-30 11:36:52): Laura - you're assuming she is "that" Shelley, which she may be, but we shall see! *** (2005-7-30 11:36:59):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , mb ! laura says (2005-7-30 11:37:6): we were talking about you a while ago visionthingblog says to Shelley (2005-7-30 11:37:10): (I jumped to the same conclusion) Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:37:11): Guys don't link antonella says to (2005-7-30 11:37:35): I think she is THAT shelley dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:37:37): Are they afraid to commit to link? {no_smiley} antonella says to (2005-7-30 11:37:51): Good point. I think they are. visionthingblog says to Shelley (2005-7-30 11:37:55): Shelley - not true, as a blanket statement Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:37:59): No, they can't get their link up Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:38:14): groaner dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:38:30): HA HA {sweat_smiley,shocked_smiley} Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:38:44): {laugh_smiley} Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:39:0): The BlogHer links are finally showing up on Technorati antonella says to (2005-7-30 11:39:14): No wonder men don't link to us. We are dangerous. Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:39:37): Sad to say, I don't think they hear us Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:39:42): Or see us Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:39:53): The issues are framed fdifferently Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:39:54): http://technorati.com/search/BlogHer%20conference?start=20 dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:40:8): Hey, we always have been; and now we have, TECH-NOLOL-GEE!!!! Power!!!! ha ha visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:41:12): so no men link to any women? Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:41:28): I think they do visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:41:39): and or pay attention to any women? (I guess we'll find out with that "Attention Trust") Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:41:43): Of course they do. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:41:43): Do you think if we had big female news reports going out, saying that we would stop having all children, if men did not start linking up to us? blackmail? nahh Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:41:47): The question is, is it important that they do mb says to (2005-7-30 11:41:53): I know they do. but for specific reasons, as does anybody else antonella says to (2005-7-30 11:42:11): You know, I think we ARE powerful. But sometimes we expect recognition from the outside before we can admit it. Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 11:42:23): I think the thing is that the men's blogs are evolving differently from women's and the men's are more linked than are women's. Maybe that's not bad, but it's worth asking why. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:42:37): Karen: yes dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:42:38): True, Antonella mb says to (2005-7-30 11:42:45): are we talking blogrolls or linking within posts? *** (2005-7-30 11:42:48):atultech lost connection, left the room laura says (2005-7-30 11:42:51): both Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:43:13): Because blogrolls will count less and less, I believe, or at least they should mb says to (2005-7-30 11:43:20): i agree. Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:43:35): To my mind linking within posts is "vital." laura says (2005-7-30 11:43:40): Google has devalued blogrolls just recently in favor of in-article links visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:43:41): indeed - I put more stock in contextual links than static blogrolls Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:44:16): good for google -- this is important *** (2005-7-30 11:44:16):Blogher photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/blogher/ Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:44:17): How much is that considered by Technorati: blogrolls vs contextual links? visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:44:25): which is why I never link to the Hobson & Holtz report - those guys are lamerz (ha ha Neville) dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:44:31): Sorry for being such a non techie, but you mean "the links in articles that link you somewhere else" are more important? Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:44:35): Technorati's tech favors blogrolls over inarticle links Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:44:43): Will Google or Mircosoft end up the world "leader" in all this? visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:44:59): Technorati is lame - but i agree, people hang their hat on it anyway Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:45:4): Karen: Hilary Clinton will end up leader in all of this Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:45:13): In a this what exactly? Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:45:16): Condi, all the way. Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:45:49): Karen: Condi! Never! Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 11:45:51): so you're a listener, vionthingblog? Cool, glad to have you there {smile_smiley} visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:45:53): I'm backing Shelley on this Karen says to Martine (2005-7-30 11:45:53): this being the determiner of how folks navigate their computers dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:46:5): Hilary Clinton? Do you really thing so???? Honest???? {smile_smiley} visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:46:14): her or Oprah Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:46:18): Karen: ah, thanks for clarifying dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:46:32): I'll take Oprah Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:46:34): Damn straight -- I back her to kick Bill Gates butt. Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:46:47): So how is the chat going to work now that the conference is splitting into different sessions? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:46:52): Yes, absolutely, Shelley Karen says to Martine (2005-7-30 11:47:5): MS has got us navigating with their browser, but who controls the arthimatic of who gets ranked how? Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:47:38): People who create companies that deal with measuring? visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:47:39): different top X lists use different methods - which is why I don't lean too heavy on them Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:48:1): The search companies have different algorithms for ranking. Are you all aware that there are basically no women technologists involved with search company tech? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:48:18): No, I did not know that Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:48:34): Yup. Interesting article on it recently. Am writing on this./ visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:48:34): plus Top X lists are arbitrary - everyone can make their own list, and amazingly, there will be people who insist on making the grade on each of them Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:48:48): Shelley, where will the article be posted? laura says to Shelley (2005-7-30 11:48:49): I just saw this post: http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2005/07/meeting_the_blo_1.html -- no idea what she does though Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:49:14): Burningbird http://weblog.burningbird.net laura says to Martine (2005-7-30 11:49:50): Lisa and I discussed this, and felt at least for this year we can keep it all together Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:49:58): In China, Tiananmen Square is "forbidden speech" on the browser - thanks to Microsoft. mb says to (2005-7-30 11:49:58): i loved the women in technology post on burningbird. laura says to Martine (2005-7-30 11:50:26): we can roam around the topics freely. divide and conquer -- isn't that how the guys would do it? Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:50:36): hehheh dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:50:39): Microsoft is being hired to do that, for China, tha's right Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:51:0): to mb: thanks. more coming and not all easy to write. Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 11:51:3): that is my understanding of it about MS dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:51:52): I have known plenty of male computer repairmen,and experts, who hate Microsoft,and dont like to use their stuff mb says to (2005-7-30 11:51:52): I understand. i just figured out the you are that Shelley. Duh. Martine says to (2005-7-30 11:51:59): It's 2pm in Montreal. Off to lunch for a little while... Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:52:31): As an FYi Social Mom's live blogging is excellent. In fact, the coverage on multiple fronts for this conference is exceptionally well done dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:52:32): Ok, have nice lunch, been very interesting {smile_smiley} visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:52:32): yeah, it's funny that my leapt-to assumption was right - we need more Shelleys online! {laugh_smiley} Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:52:55): Dave Winer would pay you all -- good money -- to take me offline visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:53:13): I don't read Dave Winer - zzzzz dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:53:21): wow {whistle_smiley} mb says to (2005-7-30 11:53:27): zzzz - echo that antonella says to (2005-7-30 11:53:39): Who is Dave Winer? Shelley says to (2005-7-30 11:53:48): Hee. I love you all visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:53:55): chest thumping puts me to sleep - it's the rythmic beating that induces sleep dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:54:11): Yes, I like all of you, too; so nice to meet you all, great {heart_smiley} *** (2005-7-30 11:54:17):Technorati tags on Blogher: http://technorati.com/tag/blogher dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:54:35): Ha, Ha, vision thing, that's a great one LOL laura says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 11:54:57): as a web designer, i can say that Microsoft internet explorer represnts a 40% drag on efficiency due to its non-standard nature visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:55:32): with some so-called A-listers, it's easy to not read their blog and just get what was deemed to be the "hot" material through the ethers visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:55:47): and yes, that seems to favor men much more than women as a side note dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:55:58): -and I changed over to Mozilla Firefox so i could avoid the "bus" aimed at Microsoft Internet Explorer; I like the Firefox dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:56:9): I mean, "bugs" laura says (2005-7-30 11:56:9): what we're seeing evolving right now is how we as people will manage all this information visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:56:15): with the possible exception of Amy Gahran as people tend to act as repeater stations for her stuff laura says (2005-7-30 11:56:36): and here, how we as women find our voices not having much influence in that evolution ... apparently laura says (2005-7-30 11:56:58): what will the internet be like 10 years from now? "The Machine"? as Wired says? mb says to (2005-7-30 11:57:38): i think applications and uses will 'niche' themselves, and we'll see the web-version of pink-collar ghetto mb says to (2005-7-30 11:57:48): 'users' dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:58:20): UGH, how can we avoid being in that darn ghetto? I hate ghettos especially the "pinkcollar " type nuts :( Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:58:23): As long as access is not controlled, I think women will find each other and speak to the issues that resonate. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 11:58:45): Probably, Karen, true Karen says to (2005-7-30 11:59:8): Politics (part of the next sessions) will change when voters can rally outside of sound bites. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 11:59:24): I will pass along a phrase that my wife likes to use about men horning in on issues that pertain solely to women: no uterus, no opinion! mb says to (2005-7-30 12:0:42): ha Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:0:42): Whoa...how are there issues that relate solely to women? visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:0:43): that is her mantra re: abortion politics mb says to (2005-7-30 12:0:43): "Women's interest" is a death-knell yet. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:0:49): mb - yes visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:1:26): like it or not, there are topics that fall under the umbrella of "women's interest" and men have a tendency to marginalize these topics Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:1:38): My feeling is that we lose a lot when we say something is soley a woman's issue, because it allows men to leave the topic and move onto things that aren't "special interest.." visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:1:39): (in general) mb says to (2005-7-30 12:1:40): But why! Why is it women's interest? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:1:51): If we could arrange to get some men pregnant, we would not be alone with the abortion issue {smile_smiley} mb says to (2005-7-30 12:1:53): We're 50%, yo. It's "people's interest." mb says to (2005-7-30 12:2:9): agreeing with karen. Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:2:12): The attack on the WTC was a "men's issue" since men did the attacking? Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 12:2:19): Qualify - do you mean "only women's interest" ? Shelley says to (2005-7-30 12:2:42): If we want to get men to accept responsibility for parenthood than we have to agree that any issue related to reproduction is a people thing, not just a woman's thing visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:3:5): agreed dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:3:19): Making it "Only women's intestst" is an effort to cut us off from everyone else yes, it is a people's interest {smile_smiley} visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:3:24): to clarify somewhat: why are there "Women's Workout World" and suchlike? Karen says to Shelley (2005-7-30 12:3:30): And at the same time, that does not mean women become baby retorts for the State. Shelley says to (2005-7-30 12:3:48): The state has no right to determine what is a personal choice laura says (2005-7-30 12:3:52): Visionthing, what is that? A gym? Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:4:8): Becuase everything else is Men's Workout World. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:4:11): (and no I'm not getting all sexist over here - I am genuinely curious, as this may point us down the road as to what qualifies as "women's interest") *** (2005-7-30 12:4:18):Blogher Blogroll: http://www.bloglines.com/public/BlogHer dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:4:28): Karen, we are already that way, cause we cannot get control over our own reporduction without the govt. horning in Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:4:39): What qualifies as "men's interests?" visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:4:41): Karen- meaning only men *can* work out there, or only men *do*? visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:4:54): Karen - prostate cancer ;) Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:5:12): Hardly an "interest" dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:5:16): (uterine cancer) we get it too, just a little differently laura says (2005-7-30 12:5:17): Visionthing, go work out in a gay gym, and then maybe you'll understand why many women don't want to work out at an open gym dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:5:36): ewwwwww, ok visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:5:54): so is the only solution an either/or gym? Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:5:57): How about "black interests?" mb says to (2005-7-30 12:6:4): exactly. laura says (2005-7-30 12:6:17): Why do you say only? There are open gyms and single sex gyms. Why not a choice?> Shelley says to (2005-7-30 12:6:26): karen: great reframe of the discussion visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:6:43): and Karen, you said it: the focus on "one attribute" is a never-ending spiral (where are the Tongan bloggers?) dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:6:51): The 24 hr. Nautilus thing was very popular,and open to both sexes, it seemed to work pretty wel *** (2005-7-30 12:6:54):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Valsadie ! Shelley says to (2005-7-30 12:7:22): If we replace 'men' or 'women' in much of the discussion with black and white, we realize how exclusionary much of the debate about the sexes is *** (2005-7-30 12:7:33):Valsadie lost connection, left the room laura says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:7:41): sometimes i want to just sweat without being eyeballed by the dude on the military press machine *** (2005-7-30 12:7:46):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Valsadie ! dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:8:5): yes, Laura, true privacy *** (2005-7-30 12:8:59):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Dida ! visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:9:4): the Chicago Tribune once raised a stir with a section called "WomenNews" Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:9:18): The disparity of power goes back to the issue about Augusta - the golf club - where the captains of industry make decisions about how to run the world, not my local gym where I might feel nervous about having a man see my blubber, blub along. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:9:24): the argument became that "ManNews" was the sports section laura says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:9:55): HOw old are you? Once upon a time, most major papers had a "women's section" and called it that *** (2005-7-30 12:10:1):Valsadie lost connection, left the room *** (2005-7-30 12:10:6):barb dybwad lost connection, left the room *** (2005-7-30 12:10:14):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Valsadie ! visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:10:16): also as a side note: Shelley, as I explore these issues deeper I have a greater respect and understanding re: your complaints about these male-centric "geek dinners") dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:10:26): Yes, Laura, they did laura says (2005-7-30 12:10:47): i wonder how many of the other tech conferences had someone "shoe blogging" .... visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:10:59): since at the core, the issue is about access, visibility, and cooperation laura says (2005-7-30 12:11:0): (I love it!) Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:11:17): visionthoughtblog: you got it in one visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:11:23): (not that I didn't see it like that anyway, but just cut through more fog) Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:11:45): Especially about visibility -- that's the heart of this conference. We are invisible laura says (2005-7-30 12:11:57): Next sessions sstart in a few minutes. Is anyone here at the conference? Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:12:25): The issue may well be that agendas are framed by men who do not realize how much they are the dominant culture and that ALL issues are really men's issues because men define the agendas. Hence, in blogging, we run into the same thing and then wonder why it is so. If it were different, THEN, I'd be shocked visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:12:35): now back to the womannews, or cosmo, or whatever, in a nutshell these are an extension of the idea of "mens" or "womens" interest dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:12:40): Do you think most of this is all about Power? Access to power? links to power?Making yourself important? Or being the most visible of all? Do you think that is the difference? They want to take over visibility, and we just want a part of it? Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:13:0): Don't we think it's about respect? Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:13:5): If we're respected, we're heard visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:13:23): yes - I'm no fan of tokenism Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:13:47): Men are a clique and they have their own way of hanging ontop power and information. laura says (2005-7-30 12:14:1): those interests, men's and women's, are "mainstreamed" by our culture Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:14:5): Be careful on terms like tokenism. Many of these have been framed by men to suppress women from speaking out about inequalities Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 12:14:12): Invisible? Maybe women bloggers are now but perhaps not after this event. Yet it's how you sustain the visibilithy that's more important, I think. *** (2005-7-30 12:14:19):Live Bloghers! http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/track_blogher_l.html laura says (2005-7-30 12:14:29): women are rewarded for paying attention to appearance much more than men are, for example. thus fashion mags are mostly for women dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:14:29): yes---and often we women tend to compete with each other, and try to glom onto some man who has power,or is important; lots of women still do that visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:14:30): I just got done reading a book about Deming - interesting that he espoused what are thought to be "female" ideals antonella says to (2005-7-30 12:14:41): I still think that there is something wrong in asking for recognition to people we don't even like. Most of the blogs I read are not in the top 100/A-list whatever. Why should i expect them to be interested in me? Dida says to (2005-7-30 12:15:1): HI there- am runninglate- driving in from Monterey-how many men are there right now? Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:15:12): antonella: point is good. What do you want from this event? antonella says to (2005-7-30 12:15:26): Meaning, BlogHer? visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:15:27): antonella - exactly, I am unsure what the payoff of the alleged A-list is, although clearly it's about having dinner with Scoble ;-) Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:15:33): Yes, blogher visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:15:36): and airport wi-fi laura says (2005-7-30 12:15:37): 18% men I think Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 12:15:44): antonella, if you write interesting things, you will get interest. and it doens't matter what ' list' that interest comes from. *** (2005-7-30 12:15:52):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , bucky4eyes ! antonella says to (2005-7-30 12:16:22): I want to know what other women think about blogging, I want to discover new interesting people or things i am not aware of visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:16:52): Shelley - re; tokenism, to clarify I mean not "just" linking to you or any other woman once and declaring myself to be "championing diversity" *** (2005-7-30 12:17:2):bucky4eyes quit the room dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:17:9): I worried about that for years,(since I am an old timer)about being "noticed by an A-List" and being in the top bunch...and realized I was getting set up, to reach for this redicujous top of the mountain stuff.....set up Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:17:27): I think women have taken to blogging because we can talk about things no one is talking about in any real way in the mainstream - and that goes beyond just women - but that's how we've framed the discussion. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:17:28): dorothy - yes it is a moving target dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:17:42): sure is antonella says to (2005-7-30 12:17:46): There are just different motivations in having a blog. Some people do want to be popular and have a large audience. Other people don't care, at least at the beginning. laura says (2005-7-30 12:17:49): Conference announcement: Now beginning -- "Political Blogging Grows Up" ; "Blogging 101" ; "Advanced Tools" ; "Feminist Hip-Hop Bloggers" ; "Blog Design" Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 12:18:11): Karen, that's the best poinmt I've heard so far! *** (2005-7-30 12:18:12):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Jelly Donut ! Shelley says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:18:20): Is there any way to find out who is liveblogging which session? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:18:34): "Blog Design" looks good antonella says to Karen (2005-7-30 12:19:5): Which would explain why it's not that easy to get attention. Have you read the popular blog lately? How many are they trying to talk about things that have a "human relevance"? laura says (2005-7-30 12:19:28): The livebloggers are listed here: http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/track_blogher_l.html visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:19:34): the Attention trust will fix that {tongue_smiley} Karen says to Neville Hobson (2005-7-30 12:19:36): Thank you. I really think we're see a shift in the freedom of the press- a theme of mine. What I am seeing is a democratization of the media and who owns the ":saying machines" that say": what happened. Again, a theme of mine. *** (2005-7-30 12:20:1):Jelly Donut quit the room antonella says to (2005-7-30 12:20:10): Laura, you are quick. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:20:12): Look what is happening to the music business cause of the internet really changing laura says (2005-7-30 12:20:34): I have some of the key resources open in other winderz *** (2005-7-30 12:20:49):Shelley lost connection, left the room *** (2005-7-30 12:21:2):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Ruby ! laura says (2005-7-30 12:21:11): Should we steer this towards politics a little, one of the topics? antonella says to (2005-7-30 12:21:20): Why not? laura says (2005-7-30 12:21:33): I've noticed that with political blogging, popularity is not only about quality of content, but connection with power dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:21:45): Politics is always lurking nearby laura says (2005-7-30 12:21:48): People go to DailyKos, for example, because collectively it's a powerful site dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:22:3): yep dinamehta says to (2005-7-30 12:22:4): jumping in to the discussion from India ... blogging is giving voice to women where they had none earlier - and giving us control over our own environment - where earlier trad structures controlled us -- thats reward enough! and when you speak others do listen - forget about a-lists. laura says (2005-7-30 12:22:9): I imagine the same for something like Instapundit or Powerline on the right laura says to dinamehta (2005-7-30 12:22:35): That gives me much joy. Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:22:51): Laura menioned an interesting statistic. The average age of the person watching network news is 60! This means a profound shift. My younger brother is baffled by computers and is going around the bend about the teen son who is on "video games." When did my brother get so old. He's almost as confused as Archie Bunker - and he's not like Archie. But all this is happening so fast and power is a "loose ball." dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:22:54): yes, that's great : ) *** (2005-7-30 12:24:20):(Remember: Chat logs will be republished) dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:24:35): Well, now, ladies; I am almost 58; my sister is always on the computer, internet, and she is 57; her roommate, who is about 56, is a computer whiz, does all the bookkeeping and computer work for a huge law firm in San Francisco, makes about 50 thous a year; we all had to go back and learn it as older women Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:24:41): Newspaper could once isolate people. Troops could ride people down or beat them. Blogs allow a unity that a march alone cannot. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:25:6): very good, Karen I agree Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:25:59): We can now have a "virtual revolution." visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:26:2): the benefit of poltical blogs is that while the bloggers tend to rely on the "mainstream" media for their material, unlike the MSM they don't let go of a story that they don't feel is getting enough coverage Valsadie says to (2005-7-30 12:26:20): The revolution is now digitized! Karen says to visionthingblog (2005-7-30 12:26:21): True *** (2005-7-30 12:26:24):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , ping ! visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:26:43): for example "Plamegate" is 2 years old but is really cresting because bloggers didn't let go of the story Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:27:15): Free speech is now possible in ways people never considered posssible. As dinamehta says, many women - not only in India - are finding a voice. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:27:47): yes, it is a revolution; but we always must keep in mind, never to let the whole system ever be taken over by "police" or grabbed technically by some govt. somehow; could that not technically be possible? like China? *** (2005-7-30 12:27:55):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , KentBye ! mb says to (2005-7-30 12:27:57): now -- how to turn that voice into real political change. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:28:3): yes it is technically possible visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:28:13): the censorship would be done at the ISP level visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:28:20): example: Saudi Arabia *** (2005-7-30 12:28:34):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , sisoma ! dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:28:39): ahhhh oh, yes mb says to (2005-7-30 12:28:44): dorothy, there are already talks at the un level [i think] about who will control the internet of the future. globally. dinamehta says to (2005-7-30 12:28:44): and that voice gives power - when many sing out loud - its collective action *** (2005-7-30 12:28:46):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Jo Spanglemonkey ! laura says (2005-7-30 12:29:2): http://socalmom.typepad.com/travelblog/2005/07/session_1_polit.html - live blogging on the political panel. Rox (Rox Populi) and Ambra (Nykola.com) are the presenters. Karen says to mb (2005-7-30 12:29:7): Well... there's a pretty point. But if censorship can be done without an actual rack-down - by trivializing issues and dividing people - then the censors have won. *** (2005-7-30 12:29:18):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Ashley ! visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:29:19): yes laura says (2005-7-30 12:29:25): And Courtney Lowrey visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:29:26): and to say nothing of "spin" mb says to (2005-7-30 12:29:32): also true, karen, and much more likely/dangerous laura says (2005-7-30 12:29:37): Lowery -- oops dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:29:38): yes, since the internet is a type of power, there's always gonna be some force that wants to censor it Jo Spanglemonkey says to (2005-7-30 12:29:39): Political bloggin panel. I'm blogging on Spanglemonkey.typepad.com laura says (2005-7-30 12:30:11): Politocrats of both parties are seeking to do just that in the US laura says (2005-7-30 12:30:35): RIght now, debating on how to put a dollar value on a political statement made in a blog Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:30:53): So, back to the old topic and maybe a segue - we want to be seen as mainstram (like the men) and that means that politics and getting blog site up, or even being among hip-hop is central to progress? visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:31:8): as told in the politics panel: "The people participatinbg in the "parrotsphere" get rewarded for it. This is what gets you links." sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:31:14): re: political blogging: Parrot blogging (roxanne's word) is what creates memes - so it's not necessarily a bad thing if you want to get your idea out to a broader section of people... dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:31:21): yep Jo Spanglemonkey says to (2005-7-30 12:31:26): I hate getting political trolls. It makes it difficult to write about political topics on my blog. visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:31:32): jinx! owe me a coke! dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:32:12): I know in the US, lots of people are disgusted with both political parties, and are all voting as "independents" more and more sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:32:24): so we should look at creating our own memes. (here's your coke) *** (2005-7-30 12:32:47):Dida quit the room Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:32:54): Yet, if we are too far off, like some blog posts we all probably have written and though, 'golly that was good,' but nobody touched it - not even a small comment such as 'that was good, nothing to add.' We die on the vine when our great non-Parrot blogs sit like dinasours. mb says to (2005-7-30 12:33:38): that was good. nothing to add. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:33:46): that was kinda what happened to "writetodearsappY" ha ha Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:33:47): {lol_smiley} visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:34:0): yes - my feeling is, if you're going to link to something, try to add some value-add to the discussion and not "just" tell people to "go read" or say "heh" and leave it at that. *** (2005-7-30 12:34:21):Blogher photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/blogher/ Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:34:55): The difference between a leader and a radical in one vote above 50/50. *** (2005-7-30 12:36:11):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , mediagirl ! Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 12:36:37): Adding to the conversation pot - a really excellent example of a woman blogger in politics (at a very senior level) who understands the power of the medium as an influencing tool is Margot Wallstrom, an EC Commissioner - http://weblog.jrc.cec.eu.int/page/wallstrom. She's listened to not because she's a woman, by the way. mb says to (2005-7-30 12:36:44): and i know a lot of women post political things, but since they are not primarily political bloggers, it ... kind of vanishes? doesn't have the same impact, it seems. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:37:33): Yes everyone is so used to just "Political Blogging" and that's alll {liar_smiley} sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:37:34): This is the difference between "wonky" blogs and blogs that incorporate politics on a personal level, or within the context of their personal blog. *** (2005-7-30 12:37:39):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , sweetney ! mb says to (2005-7-30 12:37:55): making the personal political, as it were. Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:37:59): I run a pretty well-respected loacl political blog at http://OrangePolitics.org *** (2005-7-30 12:38:13):Valsadie lost connection, left the room visionthingblog says to (2005-7-30 12:38:24): I have to be on my way - thanks everyone! Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:38:31): But if I am running for a local office, is my money better spent in blogging or in fliers oir bill boards? Noe now, but in ten years, will the media old style media be the king makers in politics, or will bloc of bloggers put their candidates forward? Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:38:46): Lots of women and men participate, and the local media and electeds read it. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:38:51): never know, huh *** (2005-7-30 12:38:57):visionthingblog quit the room Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:39:1): Both, Karen. mb says to (2005-7-30 12:39:21): the dean campaign was really inspiring as far as the power of blogging, politically dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:39:26): "The times they are a -chanin---gin!!!!" {whistle_smiley} mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:39:29): i don't think we'll be "bloggers" in 10 years mb says to (2005-7-30 12:39:32): it's possible there could be a shift in the future Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:39:33): Right now "blog candidates" can't swing a whole election, but they can swing the volunteers they need to camapign. Karen says to Ruby (2005-7-30 12:39:34): Remember, most of us have lminit financial and people resources. sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:39:34): yes, mb, but because it's "personal" it's not seen as political - that's the framing: if you're not talking about the Beltway, you're not political. mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:39:55): im not sure that's true Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:39:57): Right, but you need te yeard signs to promote your URL. Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:40:12): If you can't raise peopel and money, you can't run for office.. Period. mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:40:12): talk about Roberts a sec -- nobody wanted to talk about him dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:40:13): Personally, as we women age, we get more and more poor, in general not all, but most of us mb says to (2005-7-30 12:40:13): at least not political in a way that anyone will take seriously KentBye says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:40:22): Mediagirl: Do you mean that everyone will be vloggers or podcasters? sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:40:23): yes. Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:40:42): I am disgusted by prochoicers tiptoeing around ROberts. mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:40:47): it was a bunch of us women who pushed on that issue, and got Booman and eventually Armando on Kos to acknowledge that they had to deal with the threat to Roe and reproductive rights dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:41:26): Really---any Republican I am suspicious of, about Roe sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:41:27): Thank you mediagirl! mediagirl says to KentBye (2005-7-30 12:41:32): i mean that in 10 years, everyone will have a voice, somehow -- it will be like the telephone. nobody says "I'm a telephoner" mb says to (2005-7-30 12:41:35): sisoma, i keep thinking there's got to be a way to turn it from personal to some sort of grassroots power dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:41:39): yes, great *** (2005-7-30 12:41:43):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , MeemerO ! KentBye says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:41:46): Ah.. I see. I think that's right dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:42:1): mb, it is possible mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:42:11): We really pushed on Booman. Half the recommended diaries were on reproductive rights Ruby says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:42:26): Is there anyone else in the chat who is not at the conference physically? mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:42:36): And on www.ourword.org too Ruby says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:42:36): OOps, that was to EVERYONE. ;) dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:42:42): Every issue is personal, or becomes personal, in the end mb says to (2005-7-30 12:42:46): i'm in maryland! {smile_smiley} Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 12:42:50): Everyone, I have to go now. Enjoyed listening to you all. Thanks, and have a terrific day! Bye from Amsterdam. mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:42:52): Is anyone AT the conference? mb says to (2005-7-30 12:42:56): hehe Ruby says to mb (2005-7-30 12:43:1): Cool! mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:43:3): Bye Neville Neville Hobson says to (2005-7-30 12:43:14): have fun! Karen says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:43:14): I have heard the Roberts nomination called the prelude to a coronation. Blogs, as you rightly point out, allow us to feel less isolated and to exchange our views, even if the mainstream dismisses these views. Yet, if the mainstream does not watch what the blogs are doing, they'll become the backwaters. *** (2005-7-30 12:43:17):Neville Hobson quit the room sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:43:44): mb: we need to create our own "echo chamber" - I'm thinking that the people who are here can become the instigators. (Let's connect after the session) mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:43:45): But I don't think if we just talked to ourselves, that would have happened. We had to engage the men in the discussion mb says to (2005-7-30 12:43:46): the mainstream seems to be obsessed with blogging as a phenomenon, and in fact is quite threatened by it dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:43:53): hmmm...we gotta get everyone to go to the web, and use it *** (2005-7-30 12:44:22):Technorati tags on Blogher: http://technorati.com/tag/blogher dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:44:28): I do tend to be a terrible, radical instigator heh heh mb says to (2005-7-30 12:44:31): rock on, sisoma laura says (2005-7-30 12:44:39): The internet allows people to publish on their own. That subverts the control traditionally held by the mainstream media ... and the people who control the media *** (2005-7-30 12:44:42):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , norbizness ! mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:45:22): so do people here have blogs? I assume so mb says to (2005-7-30 12:45:29): and the media itself is becoming very fractionalized, and is feeling the effects of the recent recent recession, and is, in generally, a little afraid mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:45:31): I recognize that name, norbizness mb says to (2005-7-30 12:45:44): i do too... mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:45:57): this is fun! *** (2005-7-30 12:46:2):MeemerO lost connection, left the room norbizness says to (2005-7-30 12:46:7): I recognize it myself... how's everything out in Cali? mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:46:13): lol dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:46:16): Well, this has been wonderful; I am from northern California, in the county of Contra Costa, City of Concord, about an hrs. BART train ride from San Francisco (where my sister lives) {laugh_smiley} Karen says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:46:18): Agreed. Blogs are a threat to power, yet the people cannot be held by a media that doesn't work - like trying to get people to continue to listen radio action shows when TV exists or to watch silent movies when talkies exist. Blogs are here and the genie is out of the bottle. laura says (2005-7-30 12:46:49): Is anyone here at the conference? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:47:1): I agree with that, Karen laura says (2005-7-30 12:47:4): Live blogging here: http://socalmom.typepad.com/travelblog/ mb says to (2005-7-30 12:47:24): big love to all the livebloggers sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:47:38): Great discussion of political language - the fact that most of the "opposite" blogs tend to savage those of other political parties. There's little incentive to dialogue with peolpe who don't share your own political views y. Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:47:42): Take cell phones. The world is forever changed and will never go back to 1990 again. sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:47:45): unless you like to be y sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:47:49): lled at. sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:47:51): sorry. laura says (2005-7-30 12:48:5): Who here has a political blog? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:48:18): LOL yes, true about cell phones that Blue Jinn is out of the bottle mb says to (2005-7-30 12:48:24): that's a big part of why i took a break from political blogging, sis. so much furious flaming. mb says to (2005-7-30 12:48:24): no real dialogue. Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:48:40): Bluetooth is out of the bottle mediagirl says to Karen (2005-7-30 12:48:42): I agree, blogs have people wigging out norbizness says to (2005-7-30 12:48:44): Mine is about 40% political, about 60% total crap. Wait, I think that adds up to 100% crap. Crap. Ruby says to laura (2005-7-30 12:48:49): I have a local political blog. And my personal blog is v. political. laura says (2005-7-30 12:49:16): Come on now, don't be shy! URLs? Anyone? Ruby? sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:49:16): I disagree, norbizness. Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:49:31): OK twist my arm! {tongue_smiley} Ruby says to (2005-7-30 12:49:50): http://OrangePolitics.org and I'm at http://lotusmedia.org dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:49:52): My blogs were(believe it or not)fairytales and I had troub le getting any attention for it,and no one would read them;darn, so I quit nuts {cry_smiley} mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:50:1): www.mediagirl.org mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:50:13): a real ranting space, actually norbizness says to (2005-7-30 12:50:19): Sorry, just trying to catch up on the actual goings-on using SoCalMom's site.... very interesting discussion (my site is norbizness.com) mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:50:21): there are a few of us there mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:50:50): one of my fave bloggers is presenting, Rox *** (2005-7-30 12:51:35):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , fp ! Ruby says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:51:45): I like the daily actions on your blog. I'm about to implment something liek that, but not daily. ping says to (2005-7-30 12:52:17): Hi folks. Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:52:23): hi mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:52:52): thanks {laugh_smiley} mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:53:12): hi ping ping says to (2005-7-30 12:53:17): I probably haven't been blogging nearly as long as most of you Ruby says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:53:19): I mightsubscribe to you feed so I can get new ideas for actions. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:53:19): If it is still there, I have a very overwritten blog called: http:www.thetinyfairytaleblog.blogspot.com I really tried to entertain people, but no one ever4 left comments; if it is still there, I would appreciate some comments, thanks {shocked_smiley} laura says (2005-7-30 12:53:21): Welcome, ping ping says to (2005-7-30 12:53:28): Funny that there's so much love for Canada around here {smile_smiley} Ruby says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 12:53:33): Although there aer always about a billion in my e-mail as well. mb says to (2005-7-30 12:53:49): daily actions? *checking* Ruby says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:53:53): Screw comments. Write for yourself! ping says to (2005-7-30 12:54:0): As long as we're passing around URLs, mind if i ask you for feedback on something i put up last night? laura says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:54:12): Don't you write on it any more? *** (2005-7-30 12:54:23):Blogher Blogroll: http://www.bloglines.com/public/BlogHer mb says to (2005-7-30 12:54:25): thanks for the discussion, friends. have to run. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:54:29): Canadians are pretty cool people; also, maybe it is always there, as an alternative to escape to LOL {laugh_smiley} *** (2005-7-30 12:54:35):mb lost connection, left the room laura says (2005-7-30 12:54:43): Hey everybody, link whore away! Karen says to (2005-7-30 12:54:56): Writing is so tough - yet that's a whole different realm in blogging. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:55:20): no, i don';t my sister critiqued it,and said I have to do a lot of editing,and I got very dissalusioned; I get oversensitive, sorry (blush) {typing_smiley} ping says to (2005-7-30 12:55:36): It's a little funny -- i moved here (SF Bay Area) from Canada in 1998, but in just the last couple of years suddenly Canada became really cool. *** (2005-7-30 12:55:39):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , nancy ! ping says to (2005-7-30 12:55:49): Okay, give this a try: http://regender.com/ *** (2005-7-30 12:56:8):sweetney lost connection, left the room dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:56:13): ---Canada is the Liberal City of Last Resort to Escape to ha ha sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:56:17): "in order to get people to go to your site (for politics) you've got to give them some sugar" Roxanne norbizness says to (2005-7-30 12:56:36): The points I'm reading secondhand about the "parrotsphere" are right on; feeling like one _has_ to comment on a particular story is really antithetical to the purpose of the whole medium, decreases spontaneity, etc. laura says (2005-7-30 12:56:59): ping I am having a problem -- is this a LiveJournal site within another site? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 12:57:21): Yeah, Sisoma, you are darn right {smile_smiley} ping says to (2005-7-30 12:57:31): The LiveJournal frame is just there so there's a discussion thread. ping says to (2005-7-30 12:57:37): Try one of the forms or links at the top. sisoma says to (2005-7-30 12:57:58): dorothy: I was quoting Roxanne for the people who aren't here - that wasn't my thought, though I like it. Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 12:58:12): Some blogging seems to be for news, but sometimes the sharing is of a journey - real or imagined and that is harder to deal with in blogging. Ruby says to ping (2005-7-30 12:58:15): That's pretty neat! IT changed my name to Reuben on my blog. ping says to (2005-7-30 12:58:33): The algorithm picks weird names sometimes. *** (2005-7-30 12:58:41):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , leahbrooks ! Ruby says to ping (2005-7-30 12:59:18): And changed my fiance Briand to Brianna. http://regender.com/swap/http://lotusmedia.org/ Ruby says to ping (2005-7-30 12:59:18): Oops, BRIAN. Jo Spanglemonkey says to (2005-7-30 12:59:34): Real is not intellectual? What about those of us for whom an intellectual life is "Real?" mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 12:59:36): A now this is silly! http://regender.com/swap/http://www.dailykos.com/ Jo Spanglemonkey says to (2005-7-30 13:0:12): No! No! No! Jo Spanglemonkey says to (2005-7-30 13:0:50): What about the subtlety of the issues! Some people are expert. Science, etc, this is why we have a REPRESENTATIVE government *** (2005-7-30 13:1:18):nancy quit the room *** (2005-7-30 13:1:29):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , nancy ! dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:1:39): Here is a really hard "possible Blog" to latch onto: I am a full time 24 hr. a day, live in, family caregiver, for my 88 yr. old mom, and she has dementia and mental illness,and a journal of everything that happens every day, might make me feel a whole lot better, and just VENT, VENT, VENT. Cause family caregiving is very stressfull,, and often hysterical {typing_smiley,fear_smiley} nancy says to (2005-7-30 13:1:54): are there other rooms active at this moment? dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:2:26): Would this be an intersting blog? I have a feeling it would help ME al lot, uh? Karen says to (2005-7-30 13:2:27): So far this is the room mediagirl says to (2005-7-30 13:2:33): i gotta run, but i'll be back - ttyl! *** (2005-7-30 13:2:44):mediagirl quit the room norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:2:44): I guess I have a disadvantage, in that I'm stuck in Texas and not at the conference, but I'd say that without expert blogs in science, philosophy, etc., I would never feel like I'm learning anything from the internet. It definitely has a higher marginal utility that reading about the same story that appeared on A1 of a major newspaper. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:2:44): bye Ruby says to mediagirl (2005-7-30 13:2:59): That's just what dKos needed. {smile_smiley} dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:3:5): yes, true laura says (2005-7-30 13:3:22): This is the only room, Lisa and I thought it would be best to just let the discussion wander. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:3:43): and I really know how to wander, LOL {laugh_smiley} laura says (2005-7-30 13:3:53): We could create a separate room if there is a strong wish to split the conversation into two or three heavy topics Ruby says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 13:4:4): Like I said, blog for yourself. Ruby says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 13:4:4): It doesn't matter if anyone else reads it, as long as it helps you. Karen says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 13:4:7): There are blogs which are largely journals with little political or other content, yet people come to read them. Blogs, it seems, aren't monolithic. Ruby says to laura (2005-7-30 13:4:23): This is the nature of chat. It doesn't matter how many rooms. *** (2005-7-30 13:4:24):Live Bloghers! http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/track_blogher_l.html *** (2005-7-30 13:4:28):nancy lost connection, left the room *** (2005-7-30 13:4:55):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , nancy ! norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:4:56): I agree; if anyone actually learns anything from my posts, that's purely gravy on top of the chicken fried steak of having a creative outlet. Ruby says to (2005-7-30 13:5:5): I have to go soon, or at least go idle... dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:5:12): Here's one idea for you; I am very sick right now with bronchitus and sinusitus, and confined to home,and yet, I can talk to all of you,and it helps me feel BETTER SO MUCH, I really have to thank you alll (thank you, all thanks, laura, ruby, ect.) {heart_smiley} leahbrooks says to (2005-7-30 13:5:53): I have been blogging for three years now, and never seem to have any regular readers. I DO blog for myself, first, but the blogs I read (mostly other women's life stories) seem to have so many readers. I wonder why no one "discovers" me? Karen says to (2005-7-30 13:5:54): There is an equalizing effect in blogs. sisoma says to (2005-7-30 13:6:6): blogging sugar (to get readers) is *not* selling out. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:6:30): How eacactly do you "sugar" ? Got any advice? ping says to (2005-7-30 13:6:33): I wonder about this "just be real" thing. You know, maybe not everyone is naturally entertaining. norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:6:36): Leah: Hell if I know. It seems to be purely random. *** (2005-7-30 13:6:58):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , GraceD ! *** (2005-7-30 13:7:3):Ashley lost connection, left the room dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:7:13): It's just part of my personality; I like to tell stories, and make jokes and wise cracks, and comment on everything {typing_smiley} Karen says to (2005-7-30 13:7:16): Yet, we ask "is anyone, besides me, benefiting?" Maybe journaling would be enough. Yet blogs makes it more real - at least to me. laura says to dorothyblueeyes (2005-7-30 13:7:37): {laugh_smiley,laugh_smiley,laugh_smiley} norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:7:48): If you want, you can purchase my 10-12 regular commenters. In fact, I'll give them away for free. Be prepared for juvenilia, though. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:8:4): maybe we need a good womens blogs directory, so we can all ssee each other; I would like that *** (2005-7-30 13:8:6):Jo Spanglemonkey lost connection, left the room *** (2005-7-30 13:8:8):sisoma lost connection, left the room laura says to leahbrooks (2005-7-30 13:8:9): Post your URL *** (2005-7-30 13:8:27):GraceD lost connection, left the room leahbrooks says to (2005-7-30 13:8:29): www.leahbrooks.com.. {shrug_smiley} *** (2005-7-30 13:8:37):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , redsaid ! redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:9:2): Hey girls! Karen says to (2005-7-30 13:9:44): How do we get through the huge explosion of blogs and find what's good? Like a magazine. One are two issues are great. I subscribe, but only a few are worth looking at and many go unread. Blogs can be like that. dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:9:44): thanks, leah, I wrote yours down, too; I am copying down everyone's url, and listing it leahbrooks says to nancy (2005-7-30 13:9:44): I'd love to see a women's directory, even just of those bloggers at the conference... dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:9:52): yes redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:9:54): Norbizness, I'm ALWAYS on the prowl for more commenters. How much would you like for those 11/12 regulars of yours? norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:9:59): I think there is something approaching a directory on the main page laura says to leahbrooks (2005-7-30 13:10:15): my condolences. (I like your site.) Ruby says to (2005-7-30 13:10:15): To get readers: read other blogs, comment, trackback... norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:10:19): Red: At this point, I'll give you $3.50 to take them off my hands Karen says to (2005-7-30 13:10:28): Does a network of blogger building out from this point make sense - so it grows? redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:10:30): Hahahahahaha! dorothyblueeyes says to (2005-7-30 13:10:30): aha, maybe I will go take a peek bye, see ya later, girls, {heart_smiley,typing_smiley} *** (2005-7-30 13:10:52):dorothyblueeyes quit the room leahbrooks says to nancy (2005-7-30 13:11:12): An RSS feed of the blogs of everyone who attended or spoke at the conference - even better! Ruby says to leahbrooks (2005-7-30 13:12:8): What about those of us who wanted to attend? laura says (2005-7-30 13:12:13): http://www.bloglines.com/public/BlogHer redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:12:17): Yeah, that's cool! I've only recently started using RSS feeds. They're very handy indeed! Especially if you read A LOT of blogs. norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:12:20): I guess my point would be that apart from well-organized conferences, the nature of the internet beast is one of randomness. As soon you join one network, another crops up, so you're in a position of always behind one step behind. redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:12:43): Yeah, at LEAST one step behind! Ruby says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:12:52): I live in my bloglines account. leahbrooks says to (2005-7-30 13:12:58): Cool. thanks. Laura redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:13:11): Me too, Ruby! leahbrooks says to (2005-7-30 13:13:25): There's a nice long blog roll of women at leahbrooks says to (2005-7-30 13:13:28): http://blogsisters.blogspot.com/ redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:13:42): I can't believe that not everyone has feeds yet, though. Very frustrating. *** (2005-7-30 13:13:50):ping lost connection, left the room norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:13:52): It's also the nature of the beast that communities will grow and then become insular, then another pops up. *** (2005-7-30 13:14:25):(Remember: Chat logs will be republished) leahbrooks says to (2005-7-30 13:14:32): I'm a database geek, so I just want everyone to be categorized, I guess! and in a nice list. norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:15:37): I try, but every time I achieve a little bit of semi-notoriety, I get link exchange solicitations in the e-mail, and I have to try to be polite in declining. leahbrooks says to laura (2005-7-30 13:15:57): Laura, does the bloglines list just include the conference attendees? laura says (2005-7-30 13:16:6): i don't think so laura says (2005-7-30 13:16:16): our feed is included, for example laura says (2005-7-30 13:16:26): but maybe, i don't know laura says (2005-7-30 13:16:38): {shrug_smiley} Ruby says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:16:45): Link solicitations are like spam. It junks up the internet to link when you don't mean it. redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:17:3): I agree! laura says (2005-7-30 13:17:29): What I've noticed is that the really big blogs link to each other, and to news sources, while the smaller blogs link to each other and more obscure blogs. *** (2005-7-30 13:17:45):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , libby ! redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:17:54): But when I first got my blog last year, I felt kind of obligated to reciprocate. The result is that I have a blogroll filled with people I read mostly out of obligation and not really because I like what they have to say. redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:18:5): Hey Libby! norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:18:9): I find that the links I use are "stuff I'm reading", not "stuff you as a reader should be reading" or "please God notice me" Karen says to laura (2005-7-30 13:18:22): Is that based merely on size or possible segmentations of interest? *** (2005-7-30 13:18:28):libby quit the room norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:18:36): Redsaid: I did at first, as well, and got burned when I had to read some really atrocious stuff from the people I had linked. norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:18:56): Is the morning session with Roxanne over yet? redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:19:0): Yup, I agree. laura says (2005-7-30 13:19:19): I think perhaps it means that people look up, and there's little interest in superbloggers to "look down" at the smaller bloggers. redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:19:23): What did she talk about? norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:19:41): http://socalmom.typepad.com/travelblog/2005/07/session_1_polit.html is the best liveblogging of the session I've seen laura says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:19:41): It's here: http://socalmom.typepad.com/travelblog/ norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:20:4): How her hands don't fall off is beyond me redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:20:5): Thanks, Laura! Karen says to laura (2005-7-30 13:20:6): Well, I have to say, there is so much in the super blogs that it is feeding faster than I can digest it. laura says to norbizness (2005-7-30 13:20:22): I agree. She's done a great job so far. I'm keeping her blog open to see what else she writes today. *** (2005-7-30 13:20:33):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , smashface ! norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:20:40): Well, without the super blogs, I wouldn't have nearly as much material to steal. norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:20:45): Did I say that out loud? redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:20:51): Hahaha! Yes you did! laura says (2005-7-30 13:20:58): Don't worry. It will be documented for eternity. norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:21:20): Aliens millions of years from now visiting our dead planet will be non-fascinated by my chat Karen says to norbizness (2005-7-30 13:21:24): If it's news, it's not stealing laura says (2005-7-30 13:21:35): If you like photoblogging, Beth is doing a fine job: http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/ Ruby says to norbizness (2005-7-30 13:21:46): {lol_smiley} redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:22:2): Listen, I'm starting to think that the only way that I'll ever rise from blogscurity is if I should a) pop out a kid, b) get fired or... post nudie pics (of other women, because posting myself will have the completely opposite effect, haha) Ruby says to (2005-7-30 13:22:5): Beth rocks. laura says to norbizness (2005-7-30 13:22:11): Are those the same aliens behind "intelligent design"? norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:22:13): Those are some good pics laura says to norbizness (2005-7-30 13:22:15): Did I just say that? norbizness says to (2005-7-30 13:22:35): The Elohim! The Pyramids! Sorry, that's just the community cable access information talking. Ruby says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:22:46): Why exactly do you care about rising out of obscurity? Ruby says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:23:10): Maybe it's just a matter of having the right audience. laura says (2005-7-30 13:23:10): The Ancients, the Goa'ould.... Ruby says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:23:12): Instead of a bigger audience. Karen says to Ruby (2005-7-30 13:23:16): Well it takes us in a circle-- whay blog? redsaid says to (2005-7-30 13:23:20): Naah, I'm just kidding. Although I'm sure it's not too shabby to be Dooce these days. laura says (2005-7-30 13:23:49): Okay, loggy loggy time. BRB Ruby says to Karen (2005-7-30 13:23:51): To express onself.