BLOGHER CONFERENCE '05 CHATROOM TRANSCRIPTS
SECTION 3

(raw logs)

norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:24:18):
I find it necessary to blog, because without me, there would be no underinformed 30-something white males on the internet. I mean, obviously we're an endangered species.
*** (2005-7-30 13:24:26):Blogher photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/blogher/
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:24:33):
Where's that sarcasm tag?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:24:40):
Hahahaha.
Karen says to Ruby (2005-7-30 13:25:10):
But we could do that at a circle of friends, or in a journal, or with our mate. Why blogs? Yet, why not - it is taking off. Why? That's what fascinates me.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:25:10):
Damn, 323 photos already. Buried again.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:25:11):
Yeah, readers or no readers, it's an addictive outlet.
*** (2005-7-30 13:25:53):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , maryhodder !
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:26:9):
Unfortunately, the flickr stream isn't identifying anyone, I think it's a real-time uploading of pics
Ruby says to Karen (2005-7-30 13:26:13):
Well I tend to think that if you have somethign interesting to say, people will read it.  As long as you find your audience - or they find you.
Ruby says to Karen (2005-7-30 13:26:32):
Hi Mary!
Ruby says to maryhodder (2005-7-30 13:26:47):
Oops.  Hi!
Karen says to Ruby (2005-7-30 13:27:2):
So its a bit like talking to your hairdresser.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:27:7):
Karen, I know you've addressed the question to Ruby, but in my own experience: I've never been able to keep a regular journal, but somehow, I've had my blog for over a year. I don't know why blogging is different? Maybe I've secretly yearned for someone to read my stuff  for all these unsuccessful journaling years?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:27:45):
Yes, Karen. Great analogy.
antonella says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:28:0):
Even if few read your blog, it's still public. That makes a big difference
Karen says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:28:18):
Didn't mean to be exlusive with the question. Just prompted by the comment. And yes - seeing it "up in lights" makes it different from the spiral bound notebook,
Ruby says to  (2005-7-30 13:28:35):
Your hairdresser is a captive audience, she isn't really interested (necessarily).
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redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:28:41):
Yes, absolutely (to both of your comments).
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redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:29:57):
Don't you find though that after a while, when you've established a 'regular reader' base (even if it's just three people, as it is in my case!) that you start blogging with them in mind?
laura says (2005-7-30 13:29:57):
Regarding the flickr photos -- If anyone recognzies anyone, it might help to post a comment there
laura says (2005-7-30 13:30:37):
A good writer is always thinking of her audience.
antonella says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:30:53):
Yup. I have a group of friends reading my blog.  I do think of them when i write.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:30:54):
Yes - we have a person or two in mind and there is a sort of connect. Maybe it has the flabor of the BBS.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:31:1):
Haha, Laura! Clearly you haven't read my writing! ;-)
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*** (2005-7-30 13:31:43):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , dar !
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:31:52):
Hello dar
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:31:57):
It's especially useful when you would like to solve an issue in your life. Some members of your commenting peanut gallery can offer a fresh perspective.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:32:5):
Good afternoon all.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:32:11):
Hi Dar!
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 13:32:14):
Group therapy
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:32:24):
the topic of the moment??
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:32:32):
Exactly, Antonella! Without having to get out of your pjs!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:32:52):
Why blogging is such a phenomenon.
Ruby says to dar (2005-7-30 13:33:9):
if you blog and no-one's listening... is it like a tree falling in the woods...  Something like that.
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 13:33:31):
Or paying a lot of money...
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:33:35):
For me it serves as a time to give/get advice, but also to vent and rally. I might want to understand something/someone, yet I might hope a political change can be effect. Very different motivations...all dependijg.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:33:37):
I mean, journaling has been around forever, but I was just telling everyone how I've never been able to stick to regular journaling, but ... Listen to Ruby, she's far more succinct than I am!
Ruby says to  (2005-7-30 13:33:42):
I like the saying "dance like no-one's looking."
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:33:44):
I am an artist, and part of a blogring of other artists in the same form.  We blog our process...
Ruby says to redsaid (2005-7-30 13:34:8):
Thanks.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:34:10):
Oh, cool! What's your URL?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:34:19):
It's true though!
Ruby says to dar (2005-7-30 13:34:25):
Sounds interesting.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:34:41):
and at the moment I am also running a creative "challenge" BLOG for anyone.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:34:44):
What's your medium of choice, dar?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:34:59):
Oh, wow! Very cool. Explain?
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:35:1):
Personal blog: astitchintime.blogspot.com
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:35:14):
challenge is: simplestilllife.blogspot.com
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 13:35:50):
I am actually surprised that many people read my blog. Recently a lot of people at work have approached me to talk about my blog. Which makes me kind of worried... To blog something  I will regret
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:35:53):
High IQ, Dar!
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:36:3):
the challenge: this months I posted a still life photo.  Everyone uses the photo to do SOMETHING creative.  then post their picture on a blog next month.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:36:34):
Antonella, did you tell coworkers about your blog?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:36:52):
Dar: That's a very cool idea!
*** (2005-7-30 13:36:58):Blogher photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/blogher/
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:37:1):
next month, I simply give a guideline, each person does thier own interpretation of the still life and creates.  So far we have quilters (like me), and knitters.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:37:19):
Need an African beader?
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 13:37:20):
I have some friends co-bloggers. I think it just spread. and somebody found my blog online, I suppose.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:37:43):
redsaid, NOW THAT SOUNDS COOL.  Yes.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:37:52):
A beader would be great fun.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:0):
Well, Antonella, look on the bright side, you could get Dooced and become an overnight sensation!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:5):
Let me then go back to the theme of isolation. Not that we don't have friends, or work, or family, or a social life, but sometimes it is a way to feel connected to things outside our immediate world.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:9):
Okay. I'll check it out then.
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:16):
I could.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:27):
Absolutely, Karen.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:35):
Karen, I know what you mean.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:57):
This photographer seems to have some good pictures, with actual IDs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ari/tags/blogher/
antonella says to  (2005-7-30 13:38:58):
I could. Not sure I am ready for that... {sweat_smiley}
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:39:5):
and is it a good thing?  Am I isolated, so I connect online?  Or is my living online making me isolated?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:39:36):
I like to write about things and so many people look at me like its all so silly, yet I connect to others who love to write also...and now I can feel validated, even though actually npthing really changed.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:40:1):
Funnily enough, a blogger I read posted about his depression today. And I actually wrote to him that for the first time I feel that commenting/e-mailing him was too clinical and cold a way to try and reach out to him. You know what I mean?
antonella says to dar (2005-7-30 13:40:7):
I ask myself this question every day.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:41:20):
red, yes I do. especially with depression, which is exacerbated by the sense of isolation.  (I am too verbose for my fingertips).
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:41:22):
Yes, Karen. It's true, you get an incredible sense of community and belonging in blogging.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:41:28):
If I am into writing about "Ripley" in Alien and no one of my friends cares about it, I can feel isolated being around flesh and blood people. Or if I am interested in the history of Cody Wyoming, I can find others who share that.
Ruby says to dar (2005-7-30 13:41:43):
Internet trouble... got to go.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:41:46):
I'm verbose too, Dar! You're very eloquent though.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:41:54):
Bye Ruby. Come back soon!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:41:59):
bye
Ruby says to  (2005-7-30 13:41:59):
D'oh.  that was to ALL of course.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:1):
Bye Ruby.
Ruby says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:2):
BYe y'all.
Ruby says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:7):
I"ll tryt o come back.
laura says (2005-7-30 13:42:10):
Bye!
*** (2005-7-30 13:42:16):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Michele !
*** (2005-7-30 13:42:17):Ruby quit the room
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:36):
Happy to be here!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:36):
hi
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:37):
Hey Michele! See, for every blogger who leaves, another one enters the blogosphere!
*** (2005-7-30 13:42:46):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , kathy !
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:48):
Karen - good point. How many have partners or family that understands why they blog? Mine still does not truly grasp what’s happening.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:42:51):
Hey Kathy.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:43:2):
Mine doens't get it.
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dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:43:20):
most of my friends don't get it.  but about 1/2 of them read my blog every day.
laura says (2005-7-30 13:43:21):
Topic of the working lunch: Flame, Blame and Shame
laura says (2005-7-30 13:43:33):
...if anyone wants to go there
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:43:33):
Or my favorite, "go bplay on your computer." No one says "go play on the telephone" or "go play with the woman next door." LOL
antonella says to dar (2005-7-30 13:43:47):
My husband barely bear it. It takes away a lot of attention from him
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:43:48):
Thanks Laura.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:43:54):
aol just had a topic for everyone on why they blog...mostly I read that people blog for themselves.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:44:15):
However, I have seen lives changed from it.
leahbrooks says to  (2005-7-30 13:44:20):
My partner is a writer, and I am not (I mean, not for my means of employement), and yet she does not really "get" blogging.
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 13:44:24):
i think it does change the traditional family structure - and often topples power structure and roles
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:44:34):
True, Michele. And that's good. But we were all saying also how nice it is to be validated every once in a while.
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redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:45:25):
That's interesting, Leah. A writer who doesn't quite grasp the concept. May I ask why not? Does she thinks it's a waste of time?
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:45:36):
I remember the first time I saw my blog listed on someone's blogroll.  I felt like Sally Fields at the Oscars!!  "You like me!!  Someone really likes me!"
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:45:55):
Yes, Dar! I can certainly relate to that.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:45:55):
Hmm Yes. Flaming and such on the blogs. It is safe behind the glass teat.
dinamehta says to  (2005-7-30 13:46:0):
 Dar .. i know the feeling too {smile_smiley}
norbizness says to Michele (2005-7-30 13:46:8):
I remember my first notice, back in the prehistoric days of 2003. I instantly criticized my benefactor for his bad taste.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:46:21):
Well, that was meant to be public
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:46:24):
Like the drive-by's on the Mommy blogs, for instance, Karen?
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:46:32):
I think that is very important to be validated or else you begin to wonder why blogging is more fun!
leahbrooks says to  (2005-7-30 13:46:49):
I think she only values writing that is in print. Old school, perhaps.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:46:51):
I suppose because we do let so miuch of ourselves out and unguarded, it can also lead to hurt if someone goes after us in a vicious way.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:47:9):
I try to practice a high level of civility in my blog.  Don't use names without some permission.  don't use photos without permission.  and almost never swear.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:47:15):
drive-bys? I missed that
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:47:31):
Ah, okay, Leah. In a way she does have a valid point. Only because to get in print, you have to have some talent (or bloody good connections)
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:47:39):
(I'll explain in a sec, Karen)
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:47:56):
But these days anyone with an internet connection can have a blog.
leahbrooks says to  (2005-7-30 13:48:1):
But many blogs have more readers than the print media.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:48:2):
A friend in Indiana recently left her home and family for LA to find herself and write. She is living with a blogging friend. I think that is extreme...but she wants to write and blogging is a big connection for her with others
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:48:7):
Even common folks like me!
laura says (2005-7-30 13:48:19):
Aside from courtesy, do you feel pressure to "be nice" -- as in women are supposed to be nice?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:48:28):
I started blogging in 1980 and was very active on Sierra On-line. I will say the atmosphere has changed dramatically and yet in some ways not at all.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:48:48):
Sierra on-line was in 1991- 1993 or so.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:48:53):
WOW! A blog is a blog is a blog!
antonella says to laura (2005-7-30 13:49:0):
I do. I have like a "blog persona" that is fair and nice.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:49:1):
laura, NO.  I was a very angry teen/young adult, probably because of abuse as a child.  I learned that being "civil" makes me feel better.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:49:3):
Wow, Karen! I was still growing up in South Africa and had never even seen a computer in 1980!
*** (2005-7-30 13:49:17):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , mediagirl !
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:49:33):
Yeah, I think I'm a "nice persona blogger"too.
*** (2005-7-30 13:49:37):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , larkspur !
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:49:39):
1980???  I'm impressed.  Got my first computer in 1984.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:49:59):
I was still using a tape recorder in lieu of a disk drive back in '84.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:2):
Sheesh, you lucky Americans!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:22):
Hi Larkspur and Mediagirl!
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:24):
I remember those tape drives.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:28):
I wasa with HP and got a property pass for an slightly obsolete one and went onto ARPANET. I blogged about that. My point is about protocal and how culturally we are evolving in the blogoshhere and being civil is part of culture.
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:30):
hihi
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:30):
Hi y'all!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:49):
hi
*** (2005-7-30 13:50:53):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Shelley !
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:50:53):
i'm not as civil as i'd like to be
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:1):
Hi Shelley.
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:6):
hiya
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:7):
Really Mediagirl?
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:8):
I'm personally hoping that we can encourage civility online it might spread to RL.
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larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:12):
that's why I love you mediagirl
*** (2005-7-30 13:51:15):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , dinamehta !
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:20):
sometimes i can't help myself, i just need to cuss and bitch and talk turkey, you know?
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:31):
yeah.. we all understand that.
*** (2005-7-30 13:51:34):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , mar cela !
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:38):
I try to be as incivil as possible to people in power, as civil as possible to ordinary people, even those with whom I disagree. There but for the grace of God, etc.
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:52):
 {smile_smiley}
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:51:56):
Hey mar cela and dinamehta!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:0):
I miss your old puppy logo, norb
mar cela says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:4):
hi from spain
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:7):
I will write it sometimes and then let it stand and go back and cut out anything I think might inflame -yet I screw up, too, and there are some I deeply regret
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:14):
Ah, Norbiz! That's the spirit, yes!
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:23):
this really is a global chat!
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:24):
The most raving blog I ever read is written by a cop in Arizona!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:26):
Actually, the new one is designed by Roxanne, who's obviously in Cali leading fora and such
*** (2005-7-30 13:52:48):kathy lost connection, left the room
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:52:54):
The wierdest thing is when you write a response you think is sensible, and someone goes nuts and you have no idea what you did.  Honest.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:3):
Michele, I think I read that one once...
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:18):
LOL!!
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:21):
one reason why i drifted away from dKos was the flame and shame and all the shouting
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:32):
it seemed to get worse since i joined there in november
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:34):
Michele, like raving as in mean and hateful and horrible?
*** (2005-7-30 13:53:35):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , bucky4eyes !
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:39):
That's why it's important never to be sensible. Wait, did I morph into Oscar Wilde there?
*** (2005-7-30 13:53:40):Blogher Blogroll: http://www.bloglines.com/public/BlogHer
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:40):
dKos??
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:44):
Oh, Karen, about flaming and mommy drive-bys and being civil... I'm not a mommy blogger, but just one example of how people lose their minds in comments and flame the particular mom blogger.
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:47):
though i understand it, times are trying these days
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:51):
I am earnest
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:53:59):
Yes. The think about responding, I found, is to keep it short, They (as I do) read so fast to get the drift that they could take away the "wrong" drift.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:54:1):
Raving is cruel, wild and to the point in any language he wants.
mediagirl says to dar (2005-7-30 13:54:3):
www.DailyKos.com
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:54:5):
I think a critical mass of comments is about 50. Anything over that leads to negative marginal utility. It's happened to me twice.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:54:15):
He gets away with it because it is truth.
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Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:54:53):
It is the most shocking blog but the most popular on AOL!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:55:0):
Very true about being concise, because let's face it, many people just scan over comments.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 13:55:14):
He won a peer award for Lord of the Blog! LOL!!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:55:29):
Next up for him is knighting, I guess.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:55:35):
Hahaha. That's funny "Lord of the Blog."
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:55:49):
The mommy blogger explain shot off my screen befoire I ccould read this. It is all going at lightning speed.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:55:51):
thank ou mediagirl
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:55:59):
A Lordship and 5 bucks gets you a latte.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:56:20):
Bored of the Blog
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:56:25):
Or 5 lattes at Latte Discount Warehouse
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:56:34):
So what do people complain about with mommys??
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:56:36):
Forget the titles, I'll take the latte!
mar cela says to  (2005-7-30 13:56:51):
I am kind of lost here but let me just tell you I think this is great and you are doing a super job...
laura says (2005-7-30 13:56:52):
In the conference site, Liza (who's leading the 3d versio of this discussion) says:
    "Your expert flamer and shamer extraordinaire, moi, will be moderating a panel on how to deal with the annoying trolls and assholes that think they can shut you up just because you're a girl. Or for that matter, expect you to be nice, play safe and be their cheeleaders, just because you're a girl.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:56:55):
(I don't read most of the them... but what could they complain about?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:56:56):
Oh, dar, it's just one example of 'flaming' people
laura says (2005-7-30 13:57:4):
"Just a little background on this : There was a time when I used to sign as LM Sabater; and I did it because I did not want people to know I was a woman. Why?.."
Karen says to mar cela (2005-7-30 13:57:15):
thank you
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:57:45):
I often don't want people to know that I'm actually a prairie dog living in captivity in the St. Louis Zoo, so I stay off subjects like new barks I've developed to warn off predators.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:57:51):
You'd be surprised how righteous some women think their methods of child-rearing are!  So if someone dares to disagree with them on their own blogs, they flame them in the comments.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:58:23):
Hahahahaha! Norbizness! I KNEW their was something I liked about you! I LOVE prairie dawgs!
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:58:26):
Ah... flamers I just say "Fuck 'em"... and ignore them.  Delete what I can and let them ruin their own lives.  (excuse my not so nice language)...
*** (2005-7-30 13:58:36):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , LisaStone !
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:58:37):
I guess I don't read mommy blogs like that.  Well except for the Fever Swamp, which I read to mock.  It's not a blog exactly, since no comments
dar says to  (2005-7-30 13:58:41):
Nor... I like that one we heard the other night...
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:58:41):
Hey Lisa!
*** (2005-7-30 13:58:43):leahbrooks lost connection, left the room
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 13:58:44):
norbizness: prairie dog at the St. Louis zoo. I have pictures of you then. Naked.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 13:58:51):
Hi Lisa!!
LisaStone says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:7):
Hi Karen!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:8):
Shelley, do share those pics!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:10):
Shelley: People would pay good $ for that type of stuff. Not people I'd want to know about, however.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:13):
Happy furry prairie dog time
laura says (2005-7-30 13:59:19):
Hi Lisa!
LisaStone says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:28):
Hi Laura!
laura says (2005-7-30 13:59:36):
So how's it going there?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:36):
Hi Lisa!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:54):
At Blogher? Or in here? In here it's mayhem!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 13:59:58):
Who is the one who is actually physically there where the talking is happening?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:0:2):
The protocal of interaction has changed, but trolls go back to the 1991 - at least. Flaming and such
LisaStone says to  (2005-7-30 14:0:9):
Good - just sat down for the first time and am watching - oops, being called away. Heck. More soon. Bye.
laura says (2005-7-30 14:0:16):
bye!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:0:18):
hi bye lisa
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:0:23):
Bye again, Lisa!
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:0:33):
There have always been trolls in one form or another.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:0:47):
Comments and flaming are analogous to road rage
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:0:56):
It seems it is usually a way people can get under someone's skin and not pay any obvious price for doing so.
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 14:1:4):
I think some people get off on flaming
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:1:16):
I think it's exhilarating to them
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:1:21):
I'll never forget my first trolling expedition, on a white supremacist BBS board back in the late 80s.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:1:35):
Yeah. Although, I must say, I've never received hate mail! I even wrote a post once telling my three leaders, if you love me, send me hate mail!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:1:47):
You got trolled up and went in firing, norb?
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:1:49):
Tried to post links to photos, and paste doesn't work. But if you go to Flickr, to Burningbird, and search on Prairie Dog, norbiz is there...with family.
*** (2005-7-30 14:2:1):Live Bloghers! http://www.blogher.org/2005/07/track_blogher_l.html
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 14:2:2):
On a women's site a couple of days ago, a guy came on and made a fat ass joke, then blogged about it on his own blog, then came back like six or eight times to see what kind of rise he was getting out of us. We deleted his trolling and simply ignored him.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:2:4):
Hahaha. Thanks Shelley!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:2:14):
Lark: No, I was trolling their message board. I've never been messed with in two years of blogging, miraculously.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:2:29):
Sometimes we get wimpy about the Delete, like we're interfering with first amendment rights or something
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:2:41):
That's the best way to deal with trolls, yes. Ignore them. They're like serial killers, in that they get off on the attention.
laura says to Shelley (2005-7-30 14:2:58):
Paste should work. Strange. I've been doing it all day.
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:3:42):
Yeah, it doesn't show as an option with Firefox on Mac.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:3:49):
Yeah, there's something about sitting anonymously behind a pc screen that seems to cause some people to lose their minds, hey? And not in a good way either.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:3:49):
But  take men, for instance. Women do not go to men's sites and make comments about men's anatomy and such, just to disrupt the conversation.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:3:56):
Please allow me to be dumb.  When you say "trolling their message board", does that mean just scouting it, or actually flaming it.  Does a troll troll?  Or does a troll flame, sometimes?
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:4:2):
First amendment has nothing to do with personal comments in personal conversations.  Ignore or delete is the best thing.  It deprives them of what they want: attention.
*** (2005-7-30 14:4:3):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Regina Philangie !
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:4:5):
Karen: we don't?
laura says (2005-7-30 14:4:12):
That's what Im using. Apple-c, apple-v
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:4:27):
Trolls flame and keep on coming back to do it over and over
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:4:32):
Hi Regina!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:4:42):
No. But men come into women's space and seem to want to stop the conversation.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:4:47):
At least, that's how I understand the term.
*** (2005-7-30 14:4:56):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , GraceD !
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:2):
Really, Karen? I've never experienced that.
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:3):
http://flickr.com/photos/burningbird/16993045/
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:6):
That worked
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:8):
Hi Grace!
laura says (2005-7-30 14:5:14):
 {laugh_smiley}
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:17):
Hey GracieD... hello
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:26):
(As yáll can tell, I've designated myself to be the greeter around here)
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:27):
No, that's some other dude, shelley
GraceD says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:29):
Hey! Hi! Sitting at the Flame/Blame session!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:37):
the noun "troll" is a flamer.  But the verb "to troll", does that just mean visiting?
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:46):
Lark: Sorry, I missed out on your question.
*** (2005-7-30 14:5:58):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , sisoma !
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:5:58):
Many feminist sites will be trolled by people who say things intended to hurt.
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:6:1):
how about http://flickr.com/photos/burningbird/17093736/in/set-223581/
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:6:16):
Lark: I would think it means leaving a deliberatively provocative or insulting comment with the intention of getting attention one's parents didn't lavish on you.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:6:17):
lark... to just visit quietly is to lurk.  to stir things up it trolling.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:6:32):
No, Lark. I think it means that people become arses in the comments and then, after being told to stop or go away, just continue doing it!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:6:32):
Shelley: That's me, but I've lost weight.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:6:47):
Yes, norb! That's it exactly.
*** (2005-7-30 14:6:52):nancy lost connection, left the room
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:7:0):
lurk/troll.  There.  I'm cool now.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:7:33):
I lurk.  Big on the lurking
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:7:40):
Me too.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:7:40):
I lurk a lot.
mar cela says to  (2005-7-30 14:7:44):
Great. I am new in this and hardly have any visitors....meaning no comments.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:7:44):
For a while, I think my own brain was broken by the nastiness in AOL chat rooms (1997-2001), thank God I got so poor I had to discontinue the service.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:7:52):
Are we following any session in particular?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:8):
yes
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:9):
I want to lurk.  but I have trouble convincing my fingers to shut up.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:10):
Marcela: Enjoy the silence for now, and may all your recognition be positive.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:13):
Poverty is prolly what saved you for us, norb.  Your brain woulda been broken
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:20):
If you leave comments and show in your blog another's blog's link it is called pimping.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:21):
Flame, Blame & Shame
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:28):
Thanks Karen
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:47):
I do love me some site-pimpin', but at least I'm self-aware enough to warn everybody that I know I'm doing it.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:8:56):
People get popular from pimping.
*** (2005-7-30 14:9:3):dinamehta lost connection, left the room
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:9:10):
BRB, folks. Coffee break.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:9:12):
Dar, I meant to stop by here and just lurk, but I couldn't shut my fingers up either.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:9:26):
I LOVE some site-pimpin.  Feell free to pimp me all you wish.
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 14:9:50):
as bad as the blogs can get, it's nothing c ompared with USENET
mar cela says to  (2005-7-30 14:9:54):
what do you mean by coffe break? its 10pm in Spain, I am having champagne
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:13):
Oh, wow.  I'd love a champagne break.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:17):
Is anybody live blogging this topic?
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:18):
Is that virtual champagne?
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:21):
You know how to live there in Spain
*** (2005-7-30 14:10:22):BlogHer chatroom transcripts: http://www.pingv.com/personal-blog-entry/laura/200507/blogher-chatroom-transcripts
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:24):
Champagne, oh nummy
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:28):
I'm having a Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill break
mar cela says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:35):
self made champagne!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:36):
In a styrofoam cup
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:38):
USENET is like a nightmare that I haven't had, thank od.
laura says (2005-7-30 14:10:40):
I've not found liveblogging on this topic  yet, sorry
GraceD says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:50):
Folks, here's some of the best live blogging of the conference
GraceD says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:53):
http://spanglemonkey.typepad.com/spanglemonkey/
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:10:58):
I went to a chatroom ball and everyone got drunk on champagne and vodka!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:11:9):
Deal with flammers and disrupters, but I also was thiniking about the way the topic was introduced - that theyy expect you to be a "nice girL" and fir their stereotypes
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:11:9):
marcela, it's 1 pm here in NoCal.  but champagne with my lunch would be good too.
laura says (2005-7-30 14:11:32):
Socal Mom comes through again! http://socalmom.typepad.com/travelblog/
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:11:40):
I expect myself to be a Nice Girl.  Give everyone graham crackers.  See that no one gets hurt.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:11:44):
Karen: I think that adds to the intensity of disagreements/trolling-- when somebody's stereotypes get challenged by the mere content of the post
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:11:53):
Maybe a zin or merlot here in Cali!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:7):
Back.
*** (2005-7-30 14:12:10):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , 7even !
sisoma says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:14):
I think there's something to be said for group "policing", calling out the trollers even if you are not the target.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:19):
Or, you should try some South African vino!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:30):
Hey 7even!
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:35):
Spangle monkey said on her live blog: 'm so glad I turned down being on a panel. Lots of hostility in the audience.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:53):
The mis-leading trollers are tough.  Keep trying to mis-direct the conversation in a comments section.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:56):
Wow, really? As in hecklers?
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:12:56):
I find I'm constantly disappointed by the level of sophistication in large comment threads where people can't simply leave a troll alone.
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:11):
South African vino...just now found the smileys! {bye_smiley}
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:21):
Martine, there was hostility in the audience?
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:24):
Hostility?
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:28):
Thanks for the link, Grace, to spanglemonkey.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:30):
OMG.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:36):
Yeah, Martine just said. Is it like hecklers?
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:38):
They are annoyed that a woman would have an opinion. There are those who ignor us (the AM sessions) and those who deplore us (this session's topic) and it all comes (at least parts come from all segmentsd) of the same thing and it is a stereotype of women.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:13:39):
Well, that's what Spangle Monkey said.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:4):
This is were she talks about hostility: http://spanglemonkey.typepad.com/spanglemonkey/2005/07/more_political.html
*** (2005-7-30 14:14:7):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Char !
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:10):
hostility??  among women??  NO!!  (the bitches!!)
mediagirl says to norbizness (2005-7-30 14:14:11):
That's the real problem with trolls, they get UNDUE attention!!!!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:12):
Well, if it getws too rough n tumble I'll drive over and sort things out.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:12):
Hey Char!
Char says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:21):
Hi everyone!
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:22):
Hahaha Dar!
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:29):
Women are either ignored and the "uppity ones" must be put down -- opposite of up.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:38):
larkspur... is that where you live??
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:38):
The hostility seems to be in her blog, to be honest
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:42):
Media: Definitely, and people aren't even bright enough to deal with basic parody or hyperbole without firing off a 300-word comment.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:14:57):
I can join you and drive down.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:3):
Yes, I'm in larkspur, dar.
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:16):
ok, I'm in Hercules... just across the bay from you.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:31):
Good to know we can mobilize if needed, dar
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:39):
Here's a question--- has anybody met (in person) a fellow blogger that they didn't know before?
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:40):
I'm in Silicon Valley.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:41):
Oooh, I was just in Northern Cali for the first time last month. LOVED it.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:49):
Yes, Norb. I have.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:59):
Two.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:15:59):
I have met a lot of bloggers off line
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:9):
Yes, I have, one local woman and one woman from beautiful Canadia!
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:12):
I say we Meet at the Rosie The Riveter statue (for inspriation).. .then take on the world.
Karen says to Martine (2005-7-30 14:16:28):
Some friends for life started that way for me
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:33):
I did once, and it was very very odd. Probably moreso because of my choice to be anonymous.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:35):
Rosie!
7even says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:37):
have you ever slept with a blogger and didn't know it? and then found yourself blogged in the morning? blogging and dating is like STDs - disclosure is key
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:40):
hmm.. Not yet norbert.
sisoma says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:43):
Ellen had a fantastic idea: if you take it on you to write something controversial, she'd be interested in sponsoring you - each flame you receive, you get $1. This could take the sting out of getting flamed, and could help people  become more willing to write "flameworthy" sites.
Martine says to  (2005-7-30 14:16:44):
That's how I met the man I live with!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:17:13):
OMG! Stealth sex-bloggin?
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:17:14):
sisoma: hey I'm in! And I'm broke too. Send Ellen my way
mediagirl says to sisoma (2005-7-30 14:17:40):
I love that idea!!!
mar cela says to  (2005-7-30 14:17:46):
 {lol_smiley}
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:17:46):
No presumption of privacy in blogtopia
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:18:20):
larkspur, a person can be as private or not as they want
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:18:27):
But they have to know when to keep shut up
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:1):
Yup, can't have it both ways, shell
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:1):
I figure nobody is gonna flame me.  I mean I'm a 50 something married woman with dogs who blogs?
*** (2005-7-30 14:19:1):(Remember: Chat logs will be republished)
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:1):
True. When I open up is when people want to read.
7even says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:1):
dog abuser
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:8):
Hahahahahaha, 7even!
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:10):
What! No Cats! What kind of a blogger are you! Humph
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:33):
I have a termite named Bobby.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:50):
Ooh.  That "retyping" reminder makes me want to shut up on account of lameness.
mar cela says to  (2005-7-30 14:19:53):
I have a whole family of termites...
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:8):
I squish termites (1.00)
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:8):
however, I know an artist who tried to be funny about a workshop she at.  Insulted her hosts... made a very bad name of herself... and had to apologize deeply on her blog.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:11):
And you're MARRIED?!? Are you so insecure that you needed someone to commit to you on a piece of paper? Pfft!
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:26):
No cats.  I'm allergic.
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:29):
that's cruelty only having one termite - they like to live in groups
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:37):
1.00 to lady with the dogs
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:42):
Tell her Rachel, tell her!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:20:52):
One is the loneliest termite
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:21:4):
Cue the sad violins.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:21:24):
Here's an interesting comment from Socal Mom's liveblogging: "I also find that women flame equally. And one of the things I find hardest to accept are flames from women. The flame is usually sort of slow boiling."
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:21:41):
(the comment was from somebody in the audience at the lunchtime panel)
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:21:50):
norbi: she's right in many ways. I've been hurt by women bloggers, guys just peeve me
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:21:59):
Ah, but we all know women like that in "real life" too, don't we? Passive aggressive flamers.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:22:11):
Norby, that would comport with the way girls play and fight, often
mar cela says to Rachel (2005-7-30 14:22:13):
be kind and shortly explain the term "flame" for us Spanish speakers... thanks
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 14:22:38):
they display the same in real life as well - slow boilers and hten explode, or inthe background
mar cela says to Rachel (2005-7-30 14:22:40):
sorry, I meant somebody pls explain
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:22:42):
Women can be the meanest that way.  the passive aggressives... the back stabbers...
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:22:42):
People who make nasty comments in other people's blogs
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:22:44):
Marcela: Just to let loose with a bunch of hate and vitriol against another person
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:11):
Flame: a response with disproportionate anger and harshness
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:12):
Interesting: is that a flame to everyone?
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:19):
Can anyone see a 'good flame'?
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:23):
Mar cela, English is my 2nd language too.
*** (2005-7-30 14:23:25):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Jo Spanglemonkey !
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:31):
Hey Jo!
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:39):
Hey Jo!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:40):
What's up, Spanglemonkey. Enjoying reading your impressions on your site
Karen says to Martine (2005-7-30 14:23:41):
I think there is a difference between disagreeing and flaming
Michele says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:45):
I think that is a flame.
Jo Spanglemonkey says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:51):
Hi! Thanks.
*** (2005-7-30 14:23:55):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , Becca !
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:23:59):
Hi Becca!
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:0):
a 'good flame'? something to stir up an argument?
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:1):
Becca!
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:4):
No good flames.  Flame is inherently antagonistic
dar says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:4):
marcela, "flame" is to say unrationally unkind about something that a person said.  It is intended to cause emotional pain.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:6):
I think a flame really is a warning sign of "I really don't want to have any sort of conversation"
Becca says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:14):
hi
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:16):
No, I think that Rachel has a good point
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:19):
Yeah, Norb.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:24:29):
Flame is to insult or stir up a negative emotion.
*** (2005-7-30 14:24:46):Regina Philangie lost connection, left the room
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:0):
I don't think there's anything wrong with anger, or expressing anger. I don't think there's anything wrong with the snark used appropriately
*** (2005-7-30 14:25:6):Welcome to BlogHer Conference Chat , bucky4eyes !
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:7):
Flame has a meaning underneath the actual words.  Whereas you can strongly disagree without flaming.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:9):
Four letter words or comparing someone with a person of ill repute.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:11):
Hey bucky!
bucky4eyes says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:24):
howdy!
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:40):
I tend to use flame as a negative, but there's not a single word for a positive statment - I'd use something like constructive criticism
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:49):
You can have a huge argument without flaming.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:25:54):
That to me is flaming. Saying personal negative things.
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:26:0):
Rachel: Or, at least, "willingness to dialogue"
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:26:3):
The dictionary refers to flame as an intense or negative emotion
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:26:28):
Yeah, when people start making personal attacks outside of the original content of the argument.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:26:33):
I think the online meaning of "flame" has refined it somewhat.
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:3):
To mean almost exclusively an unfair or purposefully hurtful attack.
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Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:6):
For example, "Satan will be happy to hear your view on that." Satan has nothing to do with the argument.
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:10):
So we think of flames as gratuitious insults?
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:29):
even if the content may be the same, a comment may be a flame fromthe intent behind it, how it is phrased.   You could have a civil or negative conversation withthe same arguments
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:34):
In any event, Satan gets all my posts via e-mail (lordofdarkness@yahoo.com), so he's never really surprised
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:38):
But someone mentioned earlier (sorry, can't remember who, you guys are all so fast!) how sometimes a non inflammatory argument can be taken out of context because someone didn't bother to read your whole comment.
Karen says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:51):
"Well if your against smoking, then you agree with Hitler." Yes, Hitler was against smoking, but Hitlet's views are not the issue.
mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:55):
I t hink of flames as malicious attempts to get attention by hurting people
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:27:57):
Hahahaha, Norb, you kill me.
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mediagirl says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:15):
sometimes people have it coming
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:19):
Hey Flippy!
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:20):
Karen: Now you're talking about the subset of moronic arguments known as "Godwin's Law"
Rachel says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:23):
something can be taken as a flame, as all the non-verbal cues are not there - hence the rise in emoticons
Flippy says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:29):
Hiya.
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:35):
mediagirl but someone could consider criticism 'hurtful'. And if the criticism attracts attention, is that a flame?
laura says (2005-7-30 14:28:52):
We're heading into a new session period, so I'm going to take the next set of transcripts up. BRB
larkspur says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:52):
Yeah.  You get flamewars that wouldn't happen in real life, because people would have sorted it out almost immediately.
redsaid says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:54):
As you can see, Flippy, we're talking about "flaming"
Shelley says to  (2005-7-30 14:28:59):
First person to use Godwins owes us all krispy kremes
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:29:7):
Hitler loved Krispy Kremes
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:29:8):
Oh ***
norbizness says to  (2005-7-30 14:29:13):
sh*t
Flippy says to  (2005-7-30 14:29:13):
I love flaming.  Oh wait, that was a past life.